quote: Original post by cilcoder
If it''s an action game, you can''t really have the hero(if he/she is a Christian) go around killing people.

The Bible states that, at the time of the crucifiction, Jesus could call twelve legions of angels to his rescue. According to Dictionary.com, a legion is: "The major unit of the Roman army consisting of 3,000 to 6,000 infantry troops and 100 to 200 cavalry troops." That is, Jesus could call roughly 36,000 to 72,000 angels to kill a ton of Romans. Also, let''s not forget the one single angel kills a few thousand people by himself.

In Milton''s Paradise Lost, there is a battle between the angels and the demons, in which an angel names Abdiel denies Satan to his face. I, personally, would love to see this as a game, and that would make an awesome cut-scene, if done right.

So, you''re right, Cicloder. Christians can''t go around killing people. Have angels do it in stead.

The problem is that angels aren''t really individuals. They''re soulless entities that have no will of their own. Any time an angel does something or says something, you can just see that as God doing or saying it.

That said, if you fudge that little bit and give angels some autonomy, they''re pretty badass. Does anyone have a list of angelic superpowers? Besides flight and recognition (the ability to see someone and know them immediately and intimately), I can''t really think of any. Of course, with a sword of fire and some armor of truth and a bow of reconciliation, an angel is more than tough enough to give you a run for your money.

Actually I have two suggestions. One is a Steve Jackson Game called In Nomine. Chances of getting rights to produce it are maybe slim, but it would give you the Ability to slip in Christianity. But it also deals with Demons which is probably something you would not be too keen on. If done right, with something for everyone it might be okay.
Now I do have an idea for a world I haven''t seen and things I haven''t seen in games. No Christianity angle but it would a unique and creative game. It would also be a technical challenge and a monster of a deal. Unfortunately, I have the Idea and the creativity for stories and such and no technical skills. Yeah sucks to be me . . . for now.

I am also currently building an MMORPG as well... and since I am a christian, I would really like to center my game around christian themes if at all possible. But the way I feel about it, its not pratical to have the whole game completely focused on the "better half" of the religion. People who arn't christians just wouldn't get it....

So, my plan is to build the game around things people are familiar with (demons, wars, bloodshed, giants, fallen angles, etc... all of which ARE biblical topics) and then slip in scripture to go with it.

For example, here is a description of the Leviathan from Job:

No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up. His rows of scales are his pride, Shut up tightly as with a seal; One is so near another that no air can come between them. His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth. Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; Nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, And bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; Slingstones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; He laughs at the threat of javelins.

I'd say thats pretty cool.... and you've got other things like Solomon's treasure vault ("the kings made silver as common in jerusalem as stones", 2 chronicals 9:27), the giant goliath (who I think was the byproduct of fallen angles having sex with mortals based on genesis 6:4), and the 4 horsemen of the apocolypes... all of which I would say are very interesting. And I'm sure if you wanted some other cool biblical stories, I could find them.

Also, I disagree that angels are souless.... they do have free will, or else you wouldn't have satan. Just look at Revelation 12:7.

[edited by - Cygnus_X on May 2, 2004 5:54:45 PM]

quote: Original post by Iron Chef Carnage
The problem is that angels aren't really individuals. They're soulless entities that have no will of their own. Any time an angel does something or says something, you can just see that as God doing or saying it.

There's a flaw in this. You can tell this is false because Satan fell because he had a will of his own. He was prideful and wanted to rule supreme.

I just noticed that someone else already commented on this. Sorry about that.

quote: Original post by Iron Chef Carnage
Does anyone have a list of angelic superpowers? Besides flight and recognition (the ability to see someone and know them immediately and intimately), I can't really think of any.

All I can think of is the Seraphim. Their name alone means "fiery serpents." A glance at them would incinerate a mortal.

Orion

"Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, add what is uniquely your own."
-BRUCE LEE

[edited by - orionx103 on May 2, 2004 6:25:03 PM]

[edited by - orionx103 on May 2, 2004 6:29:23 PM]

quote: Original post by Cygnus_X
Also, I disagree that angels are souless.... they do have free will, or else you wouldn''t have satan. Just look at Revelation 12:7.

Isn''t it possible that the remaining angels could have been stripped of their free will?

quote: Original post by dwmitch

Isn''t it possible that the remaining angels could have been stripped of their free will?

Well, "if" the angles who were cast out were stripped of their free will... that, to me (unless you have another explination that I''m not thinking of), would imply that they''re serving as God''s puppets, going around tempting and torturing people in the name of God. Satan, after all, is one of these fallen angels. Now, if thats what you believe... I''m not going to argue with you because I hate arguing. But the way I see it, and based upon what I know from the bible, Satan and his army of fallen angels are at war with God through their own choosing. Thus, you have the whole battle of good vs. evil.

Anyways, while typeing I remembered that one of the indiana jones movies (raiders of the lost arc) had the arc of the covenant in it. I just thought that would be an interesting side note.

Satan is not controlled by God, but God limits his power. For instance, Job had to ask God to allow him to tempt Job.

quote: Original post by Cygnus_X
Anyways, while typeing I remembered that one of the indiana jones movies (raiders of the lost arc) had the arc of the covenant in it. I just thought that would be an interesting side note.

Wow. Thanks. >_>;;

Orion

"Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, add what is uniquely your own."
-BRUCE LEE

quote: Original post by Cygnus_X

quote: Original post by dwmitch

Isn''t it possible that the remaining angels could have been stripped of their free will?

Well, "if" the angles who were cast out were stripped of their free will... that, to me (unless you have another explination that I''m not thinking of), would imply that they''re serving as God''s puppets, going around tempting and torturing people in the name of God. Satan, after all, is one of these fallen angels. Now, if thats what you believe... I''m not going to argue with you because I hate arguing. But the way I see it, and based upon what I know from the bible, Satan and his army of fallen angels are at war with God through their own choosing. Thus, you have the whole battle of good vs. evil.

Anyways, while typeing I remembered that one of the indiana jones movies (raiders of the lost arc) had the arc of the covenant in it. I just thought that would be an interesting side note.

By remaining angels I meant the ones who remained in Heaven. I don''t have any Scriptures to back the theory up, but if they had free will wouldn''t there be constant defections?

Ah, I see your point now....

And I guess you could argue it any way you wanted... Either they don''t defect because they know the consequences, they don''t defect because they''re will was stripped away.... or they do defect, and there just isn''t any mentioning of it.

Ok, so I''m a little new to the topic and I commited the cardinal sin (no pun intended... well... maybe a little) of not going back and reading all the old post. Does GottabeKD want a christian storyline or just christian elements like Leviathan, Dominion, etc...? Cause if you''re going for storyline... go see hellboy. At minimum it will give you some good ideas.