a. Kill radical Wahhabi Sunni Muslim clerics, even if they're in our allied countries (Saudi Arabia is a BIG part of this), until they're replaced with moderates.

O_o

easiest way to loose an ally I have heard in a while... good luck with that.

I am sure the US allies will be thrilled if they are not only spied upon, but also have US death squadrons roaming in their territory killing people at will.

Somehow reminds me of the Hydra-in-disguise in Captain America 2 and their heli carriers of doom. You have an algorithm that can predict who will turn terrorist in some years by the way?

If they're allowing Wahhabi clerics to redicalize people and help them get into Syria/Iraq, are they a worthwhile ally in their current state?

And no, the point won't be to try and predict who will become a radical cleric in the future, just kill them as they appear, make it a public policy, and hope the next ones in line are less radical. Repeat until there's no more radicals left to fill the void.

There's really not many living clerics in the world, and only a few are a problem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern-day_Muslim_scholars_of_Islam

Most of the problem ones are in Saudi Arabia/Pakistan.

If they're allowing Wahhabi clerics to redicalize people and help them get into Syria/Iraq, are they a worthwhile ally in their current state?

And no, the point won't be to try and predict who will become a radical cleric in the future, just kill them as they appear, make it a public policy, and hope the next ones in line are less radical. Repeat until there's no more radicals left to fill the void.

There's really not many living clerics in the world, and only a few are a problem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern-day_Muslim_scholars_of_Islam

Most of the problem ones are in Saudi Arabia/Pakistan.

Damn! memory is so short! How can you forget so easily that murdering these people only puts fire in the belly of the younger ones to make them even more radical... 10000 times worse... more dangerous than their father's generations, ..... you 've forgotten that unlike westerners, these people don't fear death, they don't care for their lives . Time and time again they willingly blow themselves up . So how will killing clerics not backfire?

How would a loop iteration of killing radical clerics achieve your objectives? That action alone does the job you are trying to eliminate for them.

Islam itself is radical.

Ok, I'm really not sure what purpose this thread is serving anymore, other than to reinforce the point that

a) Islamophobia is a real thing and

b) is alive and well on this forum in the guise of 3Ddreamers demented ramblings.

Any semblance of useful discussion ended a few pages back.

If they're allowing Wahhabi clerics to redicalize people and help them get into Syria/Iraq, are they a worthwhile ally in their current state?

And no, the point won't be to try and predict who will become a radical cleric in the future, just kill them as they appear, make it a public policy, and hope the next ones in line are less radical. Repeat until there's no more radicals left to fill the void.

There's really not many living clerics in the world, and only a few are a problem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern-day_Muslim_scholars_of_Islam

Most of the problem ones are in Saudi Arabia/Pakistan.

Damn! memory is so short! How can you forget so easily that murdering these people only puts fire in the belly of the younger ones to make them even more radical... 10000 times worse... more dangerous than their father's generations, ..... you 've forgotten that unlike westerners, these people don't fear death, they don't care for their lives . Time and time again they willingly blow themselves up . So how will killing clerics not backfire?

How would a loop iteration of killing radical clerics achieve your objectives? That action alone does the job you are trying to eliminate for them.

Because I'm willing to bet Clerics (The people Charismatic/smart enough to get leadership positions) will be smart enough to fear for their own lives. Remember that behind everyone blowing themselves up, there's a cleric telling them they'll go to heaven for doing so.

Ok, I'm really not sure what purpose this thread is serving anymore, other than to reinforce the point that

a) Islamophobia is a real thing and

b) is alive and well on this forum in the guise of 3Ddreamers demented ramblings.

Any semblance of useful discussion ended a few pages back.

I'm starting to agree. I know that I started this thread, and now I'm a little afraid of what I've created...

If they're allowing Wahhabi clerics to redicalize people and help them get into Syria/Iraq, are they a worthwhile ally in their current state?

And no, the point won't be to try and predict who will become a radical cleric in the future, just kill them as they appear, make it a public policy, and hope the next ones in line are less radical. Repeat until there's no more radicals left to fill the void.

There's really not many living clerics in the world, and only a few are a problem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern-day_Muslim_scholars_of_Islam

Most of the problem ones are in Saudi Arabia/Pakistan.

Well, okay, then go on, declare war on Saudi Arabia... because when you send kill squads into their territory, that is actually what you are doing. Stronk foreign politics, I have to say.

Is it a good thing that Saudi Arabia is not putting this clerics in check? No, not for the US or the west. Can you force them to do that? Well, yes you can. But a) you need to work WITH Saudi Arabia and not AGAINST them (sending in the kill squads to do their job is NOT working with them), and you b) need to understand the local interest and politics of Saudi Arabia that makes the Saudi Arabian regime tolerate the radicals in the first place.

And if you want to go for the final cookie points, think before you act (unlike what was done before invading Iraq)... maybe meddling there will wake an even worse evil? Maybe the last thing you want is more open involvement by the US?

Acting even more aggressive and careless will not solve this or any other conflict.

Just to clear something up: the algorithm thing was me being sarcastic, that is a thing in the Captain America movie. Yeah, sarcasm tags would help :)

Just to make sure everyone is getting what I was implying through my sarcastic comments about the Movie: the whole idea to send Kill squads to other countries to kill enemies of the US without having to answer to ANY international authority equals to what Hydra is trying to achieve in that movie... world domination.

If they're allowing Wahhabi clerics to redicalize people and help them get into Syria/Iraq, are they a worthwhile ally in their current state?

And no, the point won't be to try and predict who will become a radical cleric in the future, just kill them as they appear, make it a public policy, and hope the next ones in line are less radical. Repeat until there's no more radicals left to fill the void.

There's really not many living clerics in the world, and only a few are a problem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern-day_Muslim_scholars_of_Islam

Most of the problem ones are in Saudi Arabia/Pakistan.

Well, okay, then go on, declare war on Saudi Arabia... because when you send kill squads into their territory, that is actually what you are doing. Stronk foreign politics, I have to say.

Is it a good thing that Saudi Arabia is not putting this clerics in check? No, not for the US or the west. Can you force them to do that? Well, yes you can. But a) you need to work WITH Saudi Arabia and not AGAINST them (sending in the kill squads to do their job is NOT working with them), and you b) need to understand the local interest and politics of Saudi Arabia that makes the Saudi Arabian regime tolerate the radicals in the first place.

And if you want to go for the final cookie points, think before you act (unlike what was done before invading Iraq)... maybe meddling there will wake an even worse evil? Maybe the last thing you want is more open involvement by the US?

Acting even more aggressive and careless will not solve this or any other conflict.

Just to clear something up: the algorithm thing was me being sarcastic, that is a thing in the Captain America movie. Yeah, sarcasm tags would help :)

Just to make sure everyone is getting what I was implying through my sarcastic comments about the Movie: the whole idea to send Kill squads to other countries to kill enemies of the US without having to answer to ANY international authority equals to what Hydra is trying to achieve in that movie... world domination.

I disagree that it will start a war. Countries have tolerated way worse than a couple of assassinations against extremists, but it's true that Saudi politicians use them to their benefit.But I don't think that matters, as once you set the precedent that extremists aren't safe regardless of who they are, or where they live, Saudi politicians will ease off on the donations.

Iraq was a huge mistake, but the reason why it became catastrophic was because we declared Mosques safe zones, and never did anything about the people radicalizing fighters. This meant that we had people screaming about how America needs to be destroyed, and anyone who does it is going to heaven miles away from our forces, and the results are evident.

Iraq was a huge mistake, but the reason why it became catastrophic was because we declared Mosques safe zones, and never did anything about the people radicalizing fighters. This meant that we had people screaming about how America needs to be destroyed, and anyone who does it is going to heaven miles away from our forces, and the results are evident.

Not exactly. There was a book I read some time ago, called the Green Zone: Life Inside the Emerald City (or something similar) which gave a pretty good account of what happened in Iraq. The reason it became a catastrophe was extremely poor management of Iraq in the wake of the invasion. The biggest mistake was disbanding the Iraqi Army, which basically lead to many of them joining up with what is now ISIS. There were all sorts of other really bad choices made, none of which had to do with Mosques being safe zones. The invasion of Iraq itself was initially seen by the local populace to be a good thing, because it had deposed a brutal dictator. After the long and badly managed occupation, it pretty much turned everyone against the US.

Iraq was not even remotely known for radicals or even poverty some decades ago. In fact, it was a fairly rich nation before Saddam/the Gulf War/The Iraq War/ISIS. Iraq wasn't even a recruiting ground until after the invasion/bad choices.