quote: Original post by ImmaGNUman

Well, if im generally stupid ben, then you lose all wars without US aid and have bad teeth, no offence tho, just a *generalization.* Please think next time before you use a generalizations, as generally, they are never true.

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A wise man once said "A person with half a clue is more dangerous than a person with or without one."

I don''t think you''re generally stupid. I think you''re specifically stupid. I didn''t at any point say you were generally stupid.



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Oops, mistook your name, sorry ben(accident, no hard feelings), I mean zedzeek.

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of course its their primary reason its evey companies primary reason isnt it. what pisses me off is when companies say they re doing something to help U the comsumer, god that pisses me off, we dont all come from the usa, no offence (im talking generalization) youre doing it to help us oh thank u very much the profit line doesn''t come into it at all? no of course not! i though at much

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Thats offensive, any way, how do you do that qoute thing?

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A wise man once said "A person with half a clue is more dangerous than a person with or without one."

Great arguments, MadKeithV.

A lot of people around here aren''t thinking with business minds. Microsoft is probably one of the most intelligent and efficient companies on planet earth. Very few people in the world are intelligent enough to run a business and make a profit. Even fewer are intelligent enough to program "well" (I''ll leave the definition of "well" up to you all). And yet an even smaller protion can actually do both. I''ve met VERY few programmers that have good business sense.

I always hear people''s "good ideas" on how to make one thing or another "better". To me, the REAL good ideas aren''t usually the engineering plans, but the strategy to make it an economic viability.

When you look at Microsoft''s products in aggregate, you will see a very shrewd economic plan. They know their markets well and they write good software. Remember this: the .NET plaftorm (of which C# is only one piece) isn''t a product, it is a strategy. C# is a physical manifestation of that strategy, and it was meant for a market entirely different than the one to which this board belongs. Microsoft already addressed the "video game" industries and market segments when they released DirectX, and they continue to do so with the XBox.

When discussing the features of technical products, let''s keep things in context as MadKeithV and others are doing.

Oh I don''t deny that Microsoft program well. They employ scouts at universities just like basketball so they can find young talent, plus Bill has the money so they don''t mind. But Microsoft also do things like sabotage other programs e.g. Netscape. One of the things Microsoft was sued for was making Netscape Navigator do weird stuff and if IE was on the machine it stuffed up Netcape.

They have always been good at what they do, and thats a known fact. Full credit to Bill Gates. He hasn''t actually made as much software as he likes to portray. DirectX for instance. That was bough off someone, and so was DOS. He is a true businessman. However he has really got a bit too clever for his own good. He overstepped the line with MS Java when he put all that other stuff in the software (and Sun don''t like that!). And he and Microsoft basically ignore ''standards'' or keep as little as possible.

As for C#, well that is an obvious dominance *_"strategy"_* as someone pointed out before.
The thing is, you didn''t see Bjarne saying "piss off its mine!" did you? What I''m afraid of is if C# becomes more prominent than C++, Microsoft will have yet more control over, well, everything. And I can''t see C# for Linux or Mac happening anytime soon, so more people will have to buy windows boxes.

quote: Original post by ImmaGNUman

Well, if im generally stupid ben, then you lose all wars without US aid and have bad teeth, no offence tho, just a *generalization.* Please think next time before you use a generalizations, as generally, they are never true.

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A wise man once said "A person with half a clue is more dangerous than a person with or without one."

Yeah, us Brits were just cowering behind the sofa when the second Germany invaded Poland. Fuck, I''m so glad you Americans came along and rescued us all.

That''s the last time I''m going to watch some mis-informed American take credit for winning the 2nd world war. Firstly, the American contribution in WW2, although significant, was not by any standards as important as the British contribution. Secondly, if there was any deciding event in the 2nd world war it was the Russians invading Berlin, not the Americans joining.

Sorry for the off-topic rant. It just pisses me off when Americans try and rewrite history like that (like that recent film where Americans (not the British) break the enigma code - you''ll be winning the Vietnam war next ).

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A wise man once said "A person with half a clue is more dangerous than a person with or without one."

Well said. Now go get some history lessons.

Haha!

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Yeah, us Brits were just cowering behind the sofa when the second Germany invaded Poland. Fuck, I''m so glad you Americans came along and rescued us all.

Hahaha!

Well luckily I''m from neither country so I''m not getting involved , however it is a fact that USA dudes didn''t do as much as the British but who gives a shit its over now....it should be the Germans (well, namely Hitler) that you''re angry with!
I don''t know how this topic went C#->Linux->Microsoft->C#->WWII its pretty crazy!

The world war 2 is over but the C# war is not...

um, you idiot. I said that in response to (zedzeek not ben) saying a generalization about Americans, how bout you take something *in context*.

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quote: Original post by ImmaGNUman

um, you idiot. I said that in response to (zedzeek not ben) saying a generalization about Americans, how bout you take something *in context*.

I know your comment wasn't the main point of what you were saying - it was a generalisation designed to illustrate how unfair it is to generalise; however, it was a generalisation based on the fact that you think the British would have lost WW2 without American aid, which I take offense to. What you were effectively saying was "the british would have lost WW2 without American aid, therefore", the generalisation: "they would lose ALL wars without American aid"

If, however, you meant stereotypes, not generalisations, which I suspect you probably did, I would have no reason to take offense because it (the stereotype) would not, in this context, necessarily reflect your own views.

Edited by - Bob the builder on September 3, 2000 8:51:02 PM

Bob the builder:

I don''t think it''s fair for any one country to claim supremecy for the victory in WW2. It was a joint effort. Also, none of us were there...so you saying you know what REALLY happened is a bit absurd.

Also movies are for entertainment, not history lessons.

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