best. topic. evar. ... ok the 20kg 1m^3 metal * 20000 block post in the math&physics forum was better

Harhar,.... uhhh on topic...:

kingpinzs: I don't really think a storyline is important in an openended game like this. Most players will simply ignore it while trying to twist the world around their finger. I would at least.
And remember that there must be a perfect balance between creatures adn trees, otherwise the world will collapse.

Edit: Oh and if you need a way to store an (almost)infinite world, just choose a seed every frame that will generate all the right data, it's not much harder than that. Generating the seed? I read some troll FAQ on comp.crap.compression where they said it was near impossible, but I doubt it. Not that today's computers can handle it though... but in a few years maybe... oh and you can't know if the seed is right or not as you haven't got enough memory, but that's as simple as predicting and asking God or the Faceless Lord.

[edited by - Leffe on May 25, 2003 8:37:07 PM]

The following are responses you posted to KingPinz in your first post:

"right everything is urs (u dont have the engine because u cant code it)"

"did we said that? i say its stupid and inmature"

Maybe not offensive, but certainly insulting and definately NOT what he needed to hear. You realize that when you say things like this people will stop listening to you (at least those who you''re talking to or about) and you have no way to get your point across, assuming, that is, if you have one. Ok, you have a good reason for not spelling perfect, so does he. However, you have no right whatsoever to make fun of him about his spelling, even if you could spell perfectly! There''s just no excuse.

Just Smile and Nod...

Okay I just need to say I disagree with Leffe about this needing a story. This needs to have something to keep peoples attention BECAUSE it''s being designed to be exactly like reality. As was pointed out a while ago, if it''s too much like the real world it won''t get played because it doesn''t allow escape from reality. If the player isn''t driven to play in it, then why play. I mean who wants to lock the door in the office to play a game about working an office in the exact same way. Someone will reply to me by saying the Sims is the same thing and its popular but there is still a difference. So basicly I''m saying a story, or at least some kind of hook is needed even more in this kind of situation.

You definitely need a story, at least in the beginning. The player needs a life, a job or something. The player doesn''t want to start as a tramp (or make it optional).

BTW: kingpinzs, do you know the game called Myst? It''s a 3D world in which you have to solve a puzzle. Look at the realMyst website (www.realmyst.com). Try to get the demo. It''s totally 3D and contains simple weather effect. I think it''s a good place to start.

TechnoHydra, DanielPharos:

Does real life have a story? Not really, and if it has, it is something you or your surroundings created.
This game is supposed to replace reality. The nero networks will probably be good enough to automatically generate a story depending on your actions.
Say you start out on a blank piece of land with a seed. You plant the seed, wait 15 minutes and the world is fully populated with towns and trees. Depending on the quality of the genetic programming there will probably be a lot of problems in the world. Maybe you even got a family? Say that someone in your family would die. What would you do? I would go and seek the reason, perhaps it was just a runoff from a nearby slime mold farm, or maybe some dark power is plotting to take over the world by assassinating your family. The possibilities are limitless because of the voice recoancsqqaan.

But a story... yeah, I guess. It is good for people that don't have a lot of imagination... not that you'll need it in this new world.
My solution is the following:

• Only add the most neccesary things to the game.
  
• Create a great SDK.
  
• Let 'modders' create 'mods'(modifications).
  
• Enjoy!
  

And why not make this game a MMPORK? That would be a better idea I think, by utilizing the A* algorithm we can make sure that NPCs can't be told apart from PCs, especially if introducing irregular behaviour to them. It would be a cool idea to have an entire world to play around in.
This introduces the cheating aspect though... I think that it will be made harder to cheat because the game runs it's own OS... but... some evil hacker will figure out a way to modify his hardware to give him a slight advantage... I guess he deserves it then though, he can't be invincible at least, can he ?

Hmmm what about the server model... something like this maybe:

                  [Network Diagram]                        version 1.0                God                 |           Divine_medium                 | Clients - Central_server - Clients           |            |      Clients          Clients  

By incorporating the TCP protocol to God we can certainly make this real. Or is UDP better? ... Yeah in this case

[edited by - Leffe on May 26, 2003 6:37:28 AM]

Totally true Leffe, but I didn''t mean a storyline DURING the game, but before. Because it would be pretty difficult (if you''re playing inside the world) to start as a baby, growing to a child etc most people will start as an adult. And when you''re a grown-up, you have a history, a story.

None of the above will apply if you''re a god. But playing god isn''t everything either: you''re going to have to check and stabilise the world, editing it and manipulating it until it works fine. And then...?
Playing god can be fun, but I think it''s even more fun to make (disaster-)scenarios, and you need to fix and save the world. Or does this sound like SimCity...?

Hmm... yeah, that's a good point.
But what about this:

You get born and have to be a baby for a while.  

Nice, eh? And everything that has happened before you were born is 'randomly' generated by the server.
Actually being a baby would be pretty fun I think, having to crawl away from dangers all the time
I guess that a 'action' gamemode should be included too, where you start out as an adult with an automatic machinegun and some henchmen. That would probably attact even the most brainwashed 'Counter-Strike'(a quite popular 'modification' for a PC game called 'Half-Life'. The game is known for learning children how to kill) players.

Oh! I got another idea! Colored speech!
By saying color:red, your chat text will become 'red'! That's the best idea evar.
Take a look at this simulation:

Enter: Hello!Server receives: "Hello!"Server broadcasts to everyone: "Hello!"Enter: color: redServer receives: "CHANGECOLOR|RED"Server replies with: "200|OK"Enter: Hello! in red!Server receives: "Hello! in red!"Server broadcasts to everyone: Hello! in red! 

[edited by - Leffe on May 26, 2003 7:09:40 AM]

From the original post FAQ:

quote:

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Original post by kingpinzs
Q. what is the point in playing this when it is just like real life?
A. Think about this you can kill with out getting into real life trouble.

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I am deeply troubled by this.

shutup dumasses or i will be forsced to close te thread
stop shatering his dreams.
he is apropriaet! whichis more i can say for all of yuo!@

Excellent thread!
Sorry, but I have to go a little off topic (I just read maybe the stupidest post in this whole thread!)

" That would probably attact even the most brainwashed ''Counter-Strike''(a quite popular ''modification'' for a PC game called ''Half-Life''."

Congrats, you just insulted 100000 people! And yeah, EVERYONE who has played CS is brainwashed. If they had a gun in their hands, they''d kill everyone they saw in a second. Every one of them.

Btw, could you point to any evidence to support this statement: "The game is known for learning children how to kill) players."?

I think YOU''RE the one who''s brainwashed...

ärligt talat, hur fan kan man tro nåt sånt?