What glaring inaccuracies and omissions?

The most pertinent to this discussion...

Is the bible clear on how one reaches salvation? Is it through obeying god's law, through being righteous, or through faith?
Is the bible clear on whether there is a hell? And who goes there?

Stop being a smartarse, I don't know what happens after death and I never claimed I did. I merely stated that from what the bible has to say on the subject the possibility remains that people that you and I would deem to be 'good' could go to hell, while people who you and I would deem to be 'bad' could go to heaven. If this possibility remains then, in my opinion, god must have a different concept of 'good' and 'bad' than you and I.

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it explains what will happen to righteous people when they die, and it explains the simplest way to salvation.

Didn't you just claim that what happens to people after they die is a "grey area" according to the bible, now you're claiming that the bible explains what happens to righteous people? Which is it?

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[font="Helvetica, Univers, sans-serif"]If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.[/font]
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Erm...you:

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[color="#1C2837"]right around 50% of christians believe that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle and it's increasingly shifting higher

Is the bible clear on how one reaches salvation? Is it through obeying god's law, through being righteous, or through faith?

yes, and yes. The Bible does not give an a, b, or c answer to salvation. Only a a, b, and c answer.

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1. yes 2. Arguably no, but it doesn't need to be clear on who goes there. It's focus is on how to avoid it, on which it is fairly clear.

Stop being a smartarse, I don't know what happens after death and I never claimed I did. I merely stated that from what the bible has to say on the subject the possibility remains that people that you and I would deem to be 'good' could go to hell, while people who you and I would deem to be 'bad' could go to heaven. If this possibility remains then, in my opinion, god must have a different concept of 'good' and 'bad' than you and I.[/quote]
God does a pretty good job of laying out how to lead a righteous life. Hitler certainly did not. I don't know enough about John Lennon to say whether he led a righteous life even by my standards. Why is it so odd to think that God might have a different concept of good or bad than some people? The variance on what people think is good and evil varies enough that God would have to think differently than some people no matter what.

Didn't you just claim that what happens to people after they die is a "grey area" according to the bible, now you're claiming that the bible explains what happens to righteous people? Which is it?[/quote]
I claimed that the gray area pertains to non-righteous people. It's quite clear on what happens to righteous people.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.[/font]
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That says nothing about going to hell.

Erm...you:

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[color="#1C2837"]right around 50% of christians believe that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle and it's increasingly shifting higher

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since when was the opposite of "around 50%" a majority?

That says nothing about going to hell.

And neither did I...I was responding to your point about homosexuality being an acceptable lifestyle or not.

since when was the opposite of "around 50%" a majority?

right around 50% of christians believe that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle and it's increasingly shifting higher

If you weren't trying to suggest 'the majority of Christians' here then maybe you should retract the 'increasingly shifting higher' part.

I don't know enough about John Lennon to say whether he led a righteous life even by my standards.

[color="#1C2837"]Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
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Why is it so odd to think that God might have a different concept of good or bad than some people?
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Because his concept of good and bad is messed up. Killing millions of people or sending plagues just to prove a point is hardly good in my book. Before you start arguing that you don't have to justify god's actions, answer: would it be good if a human did this?

Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

And I do believe anybody who is found to be unbelieving after God has revealed himself to them won't have a place in heaven. I do not find it inconsistent.

Why is it so odd to think that God might have a different concept of good or bad than some people?
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Because his concept of good and bad is messed up. Killing millions of people or sending plagues just to prove a point is hardly good in my book. Before you start arguing that you don't have to justify god's actions, answer: would it be good if a human did this?
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Do you consider the Allied response to the Axis in WWII 'good'? You could view that in just as poor a light as the picture you've just painted.

..Bible quotes...

You forgot about this quotes about right and wrong:

Deuteronomy 21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Deuteronomy 21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
Deuteronomy 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
Deuteronomy 21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
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Leviticus 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
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Before you say it's just Old Testament:

Matthew:5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew:5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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However, even if it was 'just Old Testament', it doesn't matter, since these things used to be right.

BTW while you are back to the thread you can answer the questions that I asked you a few pages ago: here

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Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

And I do believe anybody who is found to be unbelieving after God has revealed himself to them won't have a place in heaven. I do not find it inconsistent.
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It's not about consistency. It's about it being wrong. Second, can you differ between hallucinating and god reveling himself? Don't just say yes/no. Explain.

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Why is it so odd to think that God might have a different concept of good or bad than some people?
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Because his concept of good and bad is messed up. Killing millions of people or sending plagues just to prove a point is hardly good in my book. Before you start arguing that you don't have to justify god's actions, answer: would it be good if a human did this?
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Do you consider the Allied response to the Axis in WWII 'good'? You could view that in just as poor a light as the picture you've just painted.
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What are talking about? Where did I say it was good? Why do you change the topic? Can you answer the question that was posted?

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Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

And I do believe anybody who is found to be unbelieving after God has revealed himself to them won't have a place in heaven. I do not find it inconsistent.
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Oh shit, I used to do magic shows at children's birthday parties! Well, guess I'm going to hell for sure now.

It's not about consistency. It's about it being wrong. Second, can you differ between hallucinating and god reveling himself? Don't just say yes/no. Explain.

I can differ between it insomuch as I can differ between hallucinating and anything I perceive to be reality.

Because his concept of good and bad is messed up. Killing millions of people or sending plagues just to prove a point is hardly good in my book. Before you start arguing that you don't have to justify god's actions, answer: would it be good if a human did this?
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Do you consider the Allied response to the Axis in WWII 'good'? You could view that in just as poor a light as the picture you've just painted.
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What are talking about? Where did I say it was good? Why do you change the topic? Can you answer the question that was posted?
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What are you on about? I am giving a counterexample of something good that resulted in millions of deaths and ruined lives. When you take things out of context it's easy to consider something "hardly good".

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It's not about consistency. It's about it being wrong. Second, can you differ between hallucinating and god reveling himself? Don't just say yes/no. Explain.

I can differ between it insomuch as I can differ between hallucinating and anything I perceive to be reality.
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The only problem with that is that it requires that your halluncination violates something enough to cause you to question it.

Two examples from my own life;

- At times, laying in bed with an ear to the pillow, I can "hear" voices having a conversation below me. I can not predict the conversational pattern (at least, no more so than I can a normal one), their are definiately different voices/accents involved and as far as my brain is concerned I am hearing sounds coming from the ear pressed to the pillow. The only reason I know this to be a halluncination is that based on volume and other charactristics of a normal sound the voices in question would have to be coming from around 1ft below me, which means somewhere below my bed I had a few people having a conversation; given that my bed had boxes of books below it this was clearly impossible.

- Quite often, due to what can only be a failure of my nervous system, I begin getting feedback telling me that I have a combination of a few things going on; I have wings coming out of my back, my arms/shoulders are covered in a layer of armor, my hands are armoured and my fingers have 3 inch armored 'talons' coming out of them. (The combinations vary, probably related to stress levels). Clearly observation alone rules this one out as a slight issue.

So, the second one can clearly be disproven by visual inspection alone (or if that isn't enough trying to do something with the talons for example); the first however could very well be taken differently IF your mind was predisposed to it. In short the 'voice of god' could be nothing more than preconditioning/wishful thinking and an imbalance in the brain. Same applies to people who think the dead are speaking to them.

With a correctly setup mind there is no way you could tell the two situations apart unless it violated some rule; you hear a voice you can't explain and expect to be hearing from god, then you are hearing from god.