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January 14, 2002 09:28 AM
I second that.
Just let me log this.
Just let me log this.
"There's so much to do, and a lot of you are wasting time.This is ART dagnammit! get creative or get buried."
January 14, 2002 09:43 AM
Muzikus You say you''re a musician? Are you a player or musician
players strum, bang, blow, etc. Musicians get paid.
Ever try to recoerd a demo without knowing how to turn on a tape deck? you have to have some practicle knowledge. Imagine
trying to tell your music and sound people want and can''t properly explain to them what you need for the lack of communication do to lack of practicle knowledge.
As like 99% of all the people here we all have the same basic dream and that is to make kik-ass games and a ton of cash.
I am 40-something have 3 albums under my belt and still as broke as a baby.
I also have my photography on 20+ albums still broke, Have Asscociates degree in computer designs, Ass. in Computer Progr.
A+ certified. Bachelors in Programming. I know C++,OpenGL,DX?
Fortran I was in on a bunch of DOOM levels Qmods, Unreal mods
A lot of Tomb raider Level. I can use Lightwave, 3D studio Max,
Maya, Man the list goes on, on, and on and still broke because I have not got it ALL together but I AM finaly Close to at least
Releasing my first title about 8mnths out, If I did not know the things I do then There is know way to achive my dream even if the title flops it has been 9yrs. to say I did it!
Now, I am About to get to say I DEVELoper, I Programmer, I Designer, I I I ! It takes Knowledge Cause Until My Brother Showed me Max 2 I could not get him to understand the kinds of annimation I was looking to achieve. you need to KNOW HOW, NOT JUST WHAT. you don''t have to be the best in all these areas but you should know how to function in all these areas. you asked for the true practicle advise NOW YOU HAVE IT !!!!
Best of Luck get off the Fear kik and get it done you are to worried about everything and everyone else other than yourself
it all starts with you and ends with you!!! The KedaKid-Owner
KEDA Designs/KEDASOFT.
players strum, bang, blow, etc. Musicians get paid.
Ever try to recoerd a demo without knowing how to turn on a tape deck? you have to have some practicle knowledge. Imagine
trying to tell your music and sound people want and can''t properly explain to them what you need for the lack of communication do to lack of practicle knowledge.
As like 99% of all the people here we all have the same basic dream and that is to make kik-ass games and a ton of cash.
I am 40-something have 3 albums under my belt and still as broke as a baby.
I also have my photography on 20+ albums still broke, Have Asscociates degree in computer designs, Ass. in Computer Progr.
A+ certified. Bachelors in Programming. I know C++,OpenGL,DX?
Fortran I was in on a bunch of DOOM levels Qmods, Unreal mods
A lot of Tomb raider Level. I can use Lightwave, 3D studio Max,
Maya, Man the list goes on, on, and on and still broke because I have not got it ALL together but I AM finaly Close to at least
Releasing my first title about 8mnths out, If I did not know the things I do then There is know way to achive my dream even if the title flops it has been 9yrs. to say I did it!
Now, I am About to get to say I DEVELoper, I Programmer, I Designer, I I I ! It takes Knowledge Cause Until My Brother Showed me Max 2 I could not get him to understand the kinds of annimation I was looking to achieve. you need to KNOW HOW, NOT JUST WHAT. you don''t have to be the best in all these areas but you should know how to function in all these areas. you asked for the true practicle advise NOW YOU HAVE IT !!!!
Best of Luck get off the Fear kik and get it done you are to worried about everything and everyone else other than yourself
it all starts with you and ends with you!!! The KedaKid-Owner
KEDA Designs/KEDASOFT.
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January 14, 2002 09:50 AM
Check out some of those ''Getting into the Industry'' articles. You state:
Yet in Dave Perry''s website, amongst others, it is mentioned that your best chance of getting a job is to show you have the ability the finish things. ''Getting something done'' is one of the most useful skills you can possess.
A guy called Romero once set up a company that would make games free of technical restrictions, unlike ID, and focussing entirely on design. He released Daikatana.
If you really want to design, just learn about everything, especially programming and art, and make sure you are talented with them both. The level of scripting in some modern games requires a generally high level of programming ability. Don''t assume you will be able to sufficiently explain to a programmer what you need doing.
I hope that when you next post back, you will not be so bitter.
quote:
I was hoping I might find some talented programmers who are actually serious about making good games,not just following pet projects and only showing interest in getting something done.
Yet in Dave Perry''s website, amongst others, it is mentioned that your best chance of getting a job is to show you have the ability the finish things. ''Getting something done'' is one of the most useful skills you can possess.
A guy called Romero once set up a company that would make games free of technical restrictions, unlike ID, and focussing entirely on design. He released Daikatana.
If you really want to design, just learn about everything, especially programming and art, and make sure you are talented with them both. The level of scripting in some modern games requires a generally high level of programming ability. Don''t assume you will be able to sufficiently explain to a programmer what you need doing.
I hope that when you next post back, you will not be so bitter.
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January 14, 2002 10:06 AM
there is 
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January 14, 2002 10:28 AM
Yes and it also appears there are lamers with 3li73ifcation algorithms.Hehe did you write it yourself,or just use your how 2 b a lamer irc script?
That''s how you back up your creativity and talent,and you guys still wonder why I''ve had enough of the attitude here.
I''m not bitter,I''m just frustrated.
That''s how you back up your creativity and talent,and you guys still wonder why I''ve had enough of the attitude here.
I''m not bitter,I''m just frustrated.
"There's so much to do, and a lot of you are wasting time.This is ART dagnammit! get creative or get buried."
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January 14, 2002 10:45 AM
I have a suspicion that you will have a similar reaction from *any* forum you visit, not just this one. In fact, I suspect some forums will give you a far worse flaming than you have had here. Furthermore, if your real life behviour bears any resemblance to your behaviour on these boards then I suspect that you will horribly fail even if you are paying programmers to work for you.
Every post I read of yours sounds more pompous and arrogant than the last. Not to mention insulting. I fail to see how you can hope to hold together a team of programmers and artists long enough to develop a game of pong, let alone an AAA quality game title with your attitude. A little humility goes a long way, particularly when dealing with programmers who often have large enough egos of their own.
Finally, you have displayed a complete disdain for the community on this board. You have made broad generalizations about how most of us have no clue, and how we all lack your godlike designing skills and so forth. How long have you been visiting this board? Not too long I am guessing. You also seem to forget that many of us are in the same boat as you - we are currently hobbyist developers, but ultimately, we want to get into the game design industry. You accuse us of lacking initiative, which I find somewhat amusing, since we are the ones actually trying to realise our ideas, you are the one bitching about how no one wants to write your game for you.
I'll reiterate what I said in an earlier post. The game industry does not owe you a job as a designer, however talented you may be. If I went on to a political forum, and said "I am really good at speeches and leadership and stuff, I should be prime minister" I would expect flames, or at least a wake up call. If I genuinely wanted to become a prime minister badly enough, I would expect to go through the same channels as every one else who becomes prime minister.
Edited by - Sandman on January 14, 2002 11:47:26 AM
Every post I read of yours sounds more pompous and arrogant than the last. Not to mention insulting. I fail to see how you can hope to hold together a team of programmers and artists long enough to develop a game of pong, let alone an AAA quality game title with your attitude. A little humility goes a long way, particularly when dealing with programmers who often have large enough egos of their own.
Finally, you have displayed a complete disdain for the community on this board. You have made broad generalizations about how most of us have no clue, and how we all lack your godlike designing skills and so forth. How long have you been visiting this board? Not too long I am guessing. You also seem to forget that many of us are in the same boat as you - we are currently hobbyist developers, but ultimately, we want to get into the game design industry. You accuse us of lacking initiative, which I find somewhat amusing, since we are the ones actually trying to realise our ideas, you are the one bitching about how no one wants to write your game for you.
I'll reiterate what I said in an earlier post. The game industry does not owe you a job as a designer, however talented you may be. If I went on to a political forum, and said "I am really good at speeches and leadership and stuff, I should be prime minister" I would expect flames, or at least a wake up call. If I genuinely wanted to become a prime minister badly enough, I would expect to go through the same channels as every one else who becomes prime minister.
Edited by - Sandman on January 14, 2002 11:47:26 AM
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January 14, 2002 11:03 AM
Ok, at this point is there anyone still taking this guy seriously?
DARN! why do I keep reading this?!
Edited by - kwizatz on January 14, 2002 12:03:51 PM
DARN! why do I keep reading this?!
Edited by - kwizatz on January 14, 2002 12:03:51 PM
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January 14, 2002 11:04 AM
I don´t think there´s much hope left, a lot of people actually tried to give you useful advice (some more tactful, some less tactful), but in the end you managed to annoy them all off.
If this is not the kind of crowd you´re looking for, sorry. But even if they are mostly hobbyists and people trying to get into the industry (like you), there is a lot of knowledge, skill and potential out there. And I doubt that you are smarter than everyone else here, everyone can learn a thing or two around here.
Then there are some who actually work in game development (like me) who have tried to give you (and all others like you) some advice, which you chose to ignore. It´s your choice, but as long as you´ve got your attitude to drag you down you´ve got a snowball´s chance in hell of ever becoming a pro in this field.
And if you didn´t notice, the 1337ified post was your own, which I find rather fitting because you do seem to think that you are smarter than everyone else.... and you do seem bitter, you haven´t seen the attempts at positive feedback, have you?
If this is not the kind of crowd you´re looking for, sorry. But even if they are mostly hobbyists and people trying to get into the industry (like you), there is a lot of knowledge, skill and potential out there. And I doubt that you are smarter than everyone else here, everyone can learn a thing or two around here.
Then there are some who actually work in game development (like me) who have tried to give you (and all others like you) some advice, which you chose to ignore. It´s your choice, but as long as you´ve got your attitude to drag you down you´ve got a snowball´s chance in hell of ever becoming a pro in this field.
And if you didn´t notice, the 1337ified post was your own, which I find rather fitting because you do seem to think that you are smarter than everyone else.... and you do seem bitter, you haven´t seen the attempts at positive feedback, have you?
January 14, 2002 11:40 AM
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Original post by Muzikus
I''m sorry really my biggest mistake was not knowing you got so many wannabies here,I only wish I had the time to sit here washing off tar.
No, your biggest mistake was completely misreading the community and thinking this was a "recruit your programmers here" forum. You say "wannabies", that''s HIGHLY insulting. I''m not even a wannabee. I have absolutely NO interest in entering the game industry professionally AT ALL. I simply have an interest in Game Design. I love throwing a lot of ideas into the forum, to be bounced at a lot of other people with good ideas. Some of these people may actually want to develop some games, maybe some are even in the process of doing so. If my ideas help them, that''s GREAT. I don''t even want credit for it. I just want to do my share, and use what little brain power I have to help people with initiative make the games I''d like to see. Maybe they hate the ideas I have, maybe they think "hey, that''s a cool idea, but what if I tried THIS..."... it doesn''t matter. As long as they think about what I''ve put forward, and consider if it could have a positive effect on their game.
Now, reading your posts (and again, there''s now a second mysteriously well-formatted post on this page, making me think that perhaps you were deliberately trying to sound incoherent, or perhaps you REALLY have a serious stress problem), you sound a lot like you want to "take" a lot (having programmers/artists produce YOUR ideas), but don''t want to "give" much back in the way of having good ideas about gameplay aspects being discussed here. That''s probably slightly misreading you - I suspect your posts are coloured that way due to a deep-seated desire to make a game company and have it WORK. Your own comments about having a nervous breakdown seem to support that - you REALLY want this idea of you to take off. That''s good! Passion is absolutely a necessity for starting your own business. It''s one of the reasons that I''ve opted out of doing that myself - I don''t have the drive.
But, this forum is not a corporate forum, it''s a think-tank. We, in general, have little patience with people who are not willing to share ideas with the rest of the forum, because of motives of financial game. Most of us (99% or thereabouts I''d venture) are not financially dependent on game design or development, and would not WANT to be, because it''s a cutthroat, make-or-break industry. You DO want to be, and it puts you in an entirely different class of poster. It makes you SEEM like a corporate shark in here, because we''re used to the open sharing of ideas.
You came here with the wrong preconception of the kind of people we are. We viewed your post with the wrong preconception of the person you are.
That''s not meant as an insult or criticism, it''s just an observation. I suggest, that if you''re really entirely unwilling to spend any time discussing ideas with other people (hence also being open to other people''s ideas on game design), that you probably will never find a listening ear on these boards. It simply is not what we stand for. It''s just a community of people with a passion for games and a willingness to try their hand at making one.
People might not remember what you said, or what you did, but they will always remember how you made them feel.
It's only funny 'till someone gets hurt.And then it's just hilarious.Unless it's you.
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January 14, 2002 11:52 AM
How about a change in direction. How about I start a developers
lab where developers could come and use equipment and software.
to save them the $$$ to rent space they could come to a rentivated scool where each room could be an office unto itself
for about the price of a mini stoage unit. If I can promote this properly I can start with about 30 rooms.
lab where developers could come and use equipment and software.
to save them the $$$ to rent space they could come to a rentivated scool where each room could be an office unto itself
for about the price of a mini stoage unit. If I can promote this properly I can start with about 30 rooms.
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