15 minutes ago, Oberon_Command said:

This is a logical fallacy and, I suggest, obsolete Cold War paranoia. Just because the communists pushed "social justice" doesn't mean "social justice" is inherently a communist thing, or that pushing for gender/racial equality makes you a communist, or even that pushing for social justice brings communism closer to being. Nazi Germany had a strong anti-tobacco movement and Hitler loved dogs; does being anti-tobacco and loving dogs make you a "useful idiot Nazi?" Does supporting a dog shelter mean I'm bringing my country closer to Nazi-ism?

Even if you're going be opposed to communism (or any particular ideology), that doesn't mean you have to be opposed to everything that communism (or that particular ideology) stands for. Doing that leads to obviously nonsensical positions and absurd behaviour.

This is far too long of a discussion to have in this thread, so I will only say that "social justice" is always a sign of the activities of Soviet intelligence.  "Social justice" is the "high ideal" they use to disguise themselves and their true goals, because nobody wants to be a "communist".  Communists never use the word "communist"... "socialism", "social justice", "left"... they use any word other than "communism".

This is the true source of any "social justice" campaign, explained by the legendary KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov, form 1983 so you know he isn't "biased" in the present day "issue", which is actually a Russian intelligence campaign to "fundamentally transform" America into a communist state.  It's what they do, it's who they are... for over 100 years now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

The KGB/FSB is larger than all other intelligence agencies in the world combined and has a presence in every nation on Earth.  A "social justice campaign" is always the result of the activities of Soviet/Russian intelligence.

1 minute ago, Kavik Kang said:

This is far too long of a discussion to have in this thread, so I will only say the "social justice" is always a sign of the activities of Soviet intelligence.  "Social justice" is the "high ideal" they use to disguise themselves and their true goals, because nobody wants to be a "communist".  Communists never use the word "communist"... "socialism", "social justice", "left"... they use any word other than "communism".

This is the true source of any "social justice" campaign, explained by the legendary KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

The KGB/FSB is larger than all other intelligence agencies in the world combined and has a presence in every nation on Earth.  A "social justice campaign" is always the result of the activities of Soviet/Russian intelligence.

Leave it to Kavik Kang to link everything back to Soviet Communists

6 minutes ago, deltaKshatriya said:

Leave it to Kavik Kang to link everything back to Soviet Communists

 

Not everything, only the things that the KGB/FSB is actually doing.  You might try listening to Yuri, he will explain the true nature of the world too you.  You, apparently, believe that the Russians maintain an intelligence agency that is larger than all of the rest of the world's intelligence agencies combined, but that they never actually do anything.  They exist, apparently, for no reason at all and they never actually do anything, right?  "McCarthyism!!!  Russian intelligence just sits around doing nothing all day long!"

1 hour ago, Oberon_Command said:

Lest we forget, we're talking about a game trailer, unless there's something I've missed. Perhaps the women are Soviets in the game?

This is a good point. We don't know what will be in the final product. I've heard that multiplayer characters are customizable and allow for players to play as other ethnicities/female/male characters. No word yet on what the campaign will be. I do agree that it's mind blowing that a trailer has triggered such a reaction.

The campaign mode may very well end up being like the Battlefield 1 campaign of War Stories, where they had the Harlem Hellfighters, the Bedouin woman, etc. People complained about that as well. It's astounding how many assumptions people on this thread have already made about this mode.

The campaign mode can make use of plenty of actual material in WW2 that did not involve just white males. After all, WW2 was not a all white male conflict: there were Soviet women, African American regiments, Indian regiments, etc. involved in this conflict on the Allied side alone. Is this a problem to depict too? And as @Mynx pointed out, media is never particularly accurate in most cases.

But let's leave the campaign aside for a moment, we don't know what it will be.

What hasn't been addressed is why is multiplayer customization such a big deal? There might be an argument to make with the main story, but even there, there's all sorts of reasons it doesn't quite matter either. There's a lot of talk about messages and stories but Battlefield multiplayer is typically just team based competition loosely based on some setting. It's not even remotely accurate to anything really. How does including non white male characters in this promote some sort of agenda? By that logic, the fact that these matches involve leaderboards that track points, one click healing, one click repairing, run over ammo to replenish ammo also promotes an agenda that this is what war really is like. That logic is clearly flawed. 

How does the inclusion of this one thing, when everything else listed is in the game, break immersion?

Why is it such a certainty that the devs added this change to ram an agenda down your throat? Doesn't it seem extremely more likely that the devs are simply trying to do this for monetary reasons to appeal to a broader audience? Most decisions are made on a business side.

Really it boils down to this: how can you make such a big logical jump to assume that some sort of big evil propaganda machine is out to brainwash you?

1 hour ago, Mynx said:

This tells me all I need to know about you, your viewpoint and your position in this thread. You have no interest in discussion or in engaging in proper conversation about the topic, you're here to complain that you feel targeted by some propaganda machine that you think is forcing "other kinds of people" down your throat. News flash, they're not doing this for you, they're doing this for us.

If you're not going to play it because they decided to include some choices for me when I have few of them to start with, then by all means, don't play the game. I certainly won't miss you.

Unfortunately it does feel a bit like I'm repeating myself ad nauseam. Some of these arguments I've made aren't really being addressed. I will say though that as a non-white male, it's nice to see more representation. It's hard finding representations in media that aren't just some sort of idiotic token.

1 hour ago, Mynx said:

I had no idea they did this. Does it happen often? Do we need to find them some help?

Don't tempt Kavik. Pretty soon he'll be asking us to read his 5000 page game lore novel to truly explain the nature of the world to us (just check out his posting history).