Are some guns used to kill children(most disgusting thing I can think of)? Probably yes. Are some guns used to protect children? Also probably yes. Same principle of the Force can be applied with the teaching of Christianity, teaching is not bad nor good, it is how it is used. To us Christians really doesn't matter if proof of god exist, it is the faith that make us Christians. And another thing, how can you prove something beyond your comprehension?

I find it odd how ready people are to accept Christian extremists who are quite certainly not-Christian as being representative of the Christian faith as a whole, but when an extremist from another faith commits genocide they are the exception not the rule.

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... who perform exorcisms (all fake).

And you know this, how exactly?
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*facepalm*

Because we have never seen anything to say otherwise. In the below vid at 1:16+, a woman flails her arms around and a preist chants some prayer...supposedely to fight off a possesion. To me, it just looks like people who watch too many movies.

But if a woman flailing around and shouting like an idiot impresses you, you might say that she is possessed with demons.

But I think people can say or do anything...it's how you interpret it.

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[quote name='nilkn' timestamp='1303098164' post='4799740']
... who perform exorcisms (all fake).

And you know this, how exactly?
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Because we have never seen anything to say otherwise.
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Regardless of the argument you are making this is a logical fallacy.

Regardless of the argument you are making this is a logical fallacy.

lol what the hell? So what?

You're the last person that needs to be pointing out logical fallacies.

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Are some guns used to kill children(most disgusting thing I can think of)? Probably yes. Are some guns used to protect children? Also probably yes. Same principle of the Force can be applied with the teaching of Christianity, teaching is not bad nor good, it is how it is used. To us Christians really doesn't matter if proof of god exist, it is the faith that make us Christians. And another thing, how can you prove something beyond your comprehension?

I find it odd how ready people are to accept Christian extremists who are quite certainly not-Christian as being representative of the Christian faith as a whole, but when an extremist from another faith commits genocide they are the exception not the rule.
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Extremism is only a problem if the core teachings of the religion are problematic. If I'm an extremist for a completely non-violent, non-judgemental religion, then the more extreme I am the less you have to worry! I saw a video lately featuring part of a Sam Harris lecture talking about Islamic extremism, and he put it brilliantly "There is nothing wrong with religious fundamentalism if your religion is non-violent. The only trouble with Islamic fundamentalism... are the fundamentals of Islam".

The same can be said of Christianity and some other religions. The more 'fundamental' you get, the more judgemental and ignorant you become. The moderates look down on them as much as the rest of us, and fine, but we must remember: if all the stuff the extremsists say weren't in the Bible/Qur'an/whatever to begin with, it wouldn't be a problem! If instead of "do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman that is detestable" the Bible said "buy all your gay friends a puppy", the worst thing Christian fundamentalists would do to homosexuals is cause their allergies to flare up.

Extremism is only a problem if the core teachings of the religion are problematic. If I'm an extremist for a completely non-violent, non-judgemental religion, then the more extreme I am the less you have to worry! I saw a video lately featuring part of a Sam Harris lecture talking about Islamic extremism, and he put it brilliantly "There is nothing wrong with religious fundamentalism if your religion is non-violent. The only trouble with Islamic fundamentalism... are the fundamentals of Islam".

The same can be said of Christianity and some other religions. The more 'fundamental' you get, the more judgemental and ignorant you become. The moderates look down on them as much as the rest of us, and fine, but we must remember: if all the stuff the extremsists say weren't in the Bible/Qur'an/whatever to begin with, it wouldn't be a problem! If instead of "do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman that is detestable" the Bible said "buy all your gay friends a puppy", the worst thing Christian fundamentalists would do to homosexuals is cause their allergies to flare up.

Fundamentalism and extremism are not the same thing. Fundamenatlism can be a subset of extremism, but there are plenty of extremists that have the fundamentals completely wrong, and they are the ones that tend to give christianity a bad name.

edit: This is probably similar for Muslims, but I don't know enough about the religion to make such claims. It can also be applied to political belief structures such as communism vs capitalism or even republicans vs democrats vs libertarians.

double edit: for a reasonable counter example to your claims, communism could be painted in a bad light because kim jong il is insane. People who know anything about communism would say that North Korea isn't really "communist", but it wouldn't be wrong to call kim jong il a communist extremist.

So what?

I'm sorry I hold people trying to debate to such insane standards as being logical.

You're the last person that needs to be pointing out logical fallacies.
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This is also a logical fallacy.

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So what?

I'm sorry I hold people trying to debate to such insane standards as being logical.

You're the last person that needs to be pointing out logical fallacies.
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This is also a logical fallacy.
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Yeah that's the only defense you have...to resort to pedantry in order to defend your COMPLETELY illogical position that some entity is sitting in the clouds watching over you.

I am not Data from star trek...I don't give a damn what you say about logical fallacies.

Yeah that's the only defense you have...to resort to pedantry in order to defend your COMPLETELY illogical position that some entity is sitting in the clouds watching over you. I am not Data from star trek...I don't give a damn what you say about logical fallacies.

Then you're never going to win an argument, nor live up to the standards that you claim humanity must ultimately reach. It is neither respectable nor best for mankind to spout irrationality to support your positions, which, in the absence of logical support, are irrational as well.

Even though you are not a robot, turning your back on reason (and even celebrating such a thing) pretty much destroys your credibility and usefulness in any debate or argument. You're also turning your back on the legacy and proper behavior of humankind, regardless of the person or position you are opposing.

Then you're never going to win an argument, nor live up to the standards that you claim humanity must ultimately reach. It is neither respectable nor best for mankind to spout irrationality to support your positions, which, in the absence of logical support, are irrational as well.

Even though you are not a robot, turning your back on reason (and even celebrating such a thing) pretty much destroys your credibility and usefulness in any debate or argument. You're also turning your back on the legacy and proper behavior of humankind, regardless of the person or position you are opposing.

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