This goes on forever (god's god's god etc.) ...

hmmm like the Infinite Multiverse theory?


Or a bit like this thread. Expect trolling.

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I believe in "God" as an entity but I mostly go on with life by having good morals, but I don't feel its neccessary for me to go to church everyday... read the bible everything. As long as you are a good person and do what's wrong to the best of your knowledge, your life will be filled with happiness.

Umm, I'm assuming you mean "right"? Your life might be filled with happiness, but it's what happens after your life ends that's more important IMO if you believe in God.[/quote]
When you say more important, do you mean in the "make sure I don't go to Hell" sense of important? Because if that's what you're saying, then that sounds pretty selfish.[/quote]
How is it selfish to say someone's eternal destination is more important than their mortal life?

What kind of entity and do you mean the Christian God? If so, how do you reconcile just having good morals with what the Bible says?

By good morals, I take it to imply good acts as well. However, if you believe in God (faith) and perform good acts and strive to be good in the moral sense, then how does that contradict the main message of Christ, or the Bible?
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Believing in God is not necessarily accepting him and accepting his gift of salvation:

James 2:19 Do you still think it's enough just to believe that there is one God? Well, even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror!

Many people claim to believe in God, but that doesn't save you from Hell.

Believing in God is not necessarily accepting him and accepting his gift of salvation:

James 2:19 Do you still think it's enough just to believe that there is one God? Well, even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror!

Many people claim to believe in God, but that doesn't save you from Hell.

Likewise doing good acts but denying God is similar. It's different than doing good acts and being ignorant of God, but to outright deny God is pretty major. There's a couple passages on this, but I slept like doo last night so I am too tired to search for it.

cool story, god

cool story, god

It actually is a pretty cool story. Putting the religion aside and just viewing it as an historical story it's more entertaining than a lot of history.

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[quote name='Zeypher' timestamp='1301101359' post='4790544']
I believe in "God" as an entity but I mostly go on with life by having good morals, but I don't feel its neccessary for me to go to church everyday... read the bible everything. As long as you are a good person and do what's wrong to the best of your knowledge, your life will be filled with happiness.

Umm, I'm assuming you mean "right"? Your life might be filled with happiness, but it's what happens after your life ends that's more important IMO if you believe in God.[/quote]
When you say more important, do you mean in the "make sure I don't go to Hell" sense of important? Because if that's what you're saying, then that sounds pretty selfish.[/quote]
How is it selfish to say someone's eternal destination is more important than their mortal life?[/quote]
It's like the person who does nice things for you only because they know they can get something out of you later. You're not performing good acts or have a good heart to be a better person and genuinely help your fellow man. You're doing it because you get a reward at the end (eternal paradise). If you found out that Jesus was a Roman and a Zorostrian double-agent who got found out by the Jews and crucified, would you still follow Christ's teachings? For the record, yes, I would.

It's like the person who does nice things for you only because they know they can get something out of you later. You're not performing good acts or have a good heart to be a better person and genuinely help your fellow man. You're doing it because you get a reward at the end (eternal paradise).

Says who? I think you read too much into my post.

[color=#1C2837][size=2]For the record, yes, I would.
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I did "good deeds" before I became a Christian.

I'm not to sure - but I really believe something exists - I just assumed that was god, after all, what else could do all those things....

I'm not to sure - but I really believe something exists - I just assumed that was god, after all, what else could do all those things....

This is becoming quite repetitive, but short version of what's wrong with that type of thinking: If you assume that there must be a god for that reason (what else could do all those things?), then where does god come from? Do you conclude that there must be a meta god - a second-level god, so to speak? And then a third-level god, and so on? You can postulate that and have a logically consistent world view, though a rather untypical one. What you can't do is apply that argument to conclude that there is a god, and then just stop there without accepting the full consequence of an infinite hierarchy of gods.

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I'm not to sure - but I really believe something exists - I just assumed that was god, after all, what else could do all those things....

This is becoming quite repetitive, but short version of what's wrong with that type of thinking: If you assume that there must be a god for that reason (what else could do all those things?), then where does god come from? Do you conclude that there must be a meta god - a second-level god, so to speak? And then a third-level god, and so on? You can postulate that and have a logically consistent world view, though a rather untypical one. What you can't do is apply that argument to conclude that there is a god, and then just stop there without accepting the full consequence of an infinite hierarchy of gods.
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I honestly dunno, as I said, I assumed, I have a lot of doubt in my assumptions, but with all the great things I've that god can do, the definition describes a thing and unthing that is capable of more than real (atleast from the view point of my petty existance), so incredible is this thing called god, that I can not even fathom it.

I then ask the question, why would I want to, am I looking for torture?

My statement is that I believe something exists, something could be a cosmos, a universe, a star system, a planet, it could even be you or me, but from what they tell me about god, well, it something that makes greek statues of great people think....


I can't compeate with that, if the all time greats dunno what god is, I'm sure not able to. I can only go by what they say, and seriously, have you heard how beyond onimpotent god is, I'm just happy with my Dad, and when he's happy, I'll take him over god any day. He really is the crazy bafoon hey, maybe when he dies, I'll have to find someone else to look up too....