I'm a pro-choicer, but it'd be some redonkulous double-think to tell myself it's not human life. So it is murder.

So I just accept some blurry distinctions.

In my mind, the mind is the soul, so if something has no mind, and can't remotely survive on its own, than it might as well be an organ of the mother, and is only an independent human life in the hypothetical.

As it develops, though, it does form into a little person even if it hasn't had first breath or seen the light of day, and near the end, it can even survive on its own if it has to, thanks in part to the miracles of medical tech.

I'd prefer it if society made some indirect efforts against it. There's a common perception of babies being a "life ruiner" for a teenage girl, etc. If teenage mother X had help with the medical expenses and if there were more people to adopt babies, I think that'd be dandy.

Gay people should be allowed to adopt.

There's a whole sector of society that can accidentally wind up pregnat but doesn't want babies, and a whole other sector of society that wants to raise babies but doesn't make them.

Seems like a match made in heaven to me.

Its such an obvious troll that its not even funny, as for abortion or not , well i think it should be up to the mother but i definitly think that society should draw lines as for when its acceptable and not, abortion in the 17th week is very late (in Sweden elective abortions are allowed up until the end of week 18 but other european countries has drawn a line for elective abortions at week 12)

(Personally i think you have to be fairly messed up if you choose to have an abortion without a good reason, but i think the option should be there for those who have a good reason and if its done early enough the government shouldn't be the ones deciding if a reason is good or not)

It seems to me that militant pro-lifers in the USA ought to be picketing governors demanding the commutation of death sentences, picketing legislatures demanding the repeal of capital punishment, demanding the passage of laws requiring health insurance companies to cover all forms of birth control and demanding the swift passage of universal health care on the grounds that it tends to cut the abortion rate (Universal health care tends to cut the abortion rate, March 14, 2010). And picketing Congress and the White House demanding better health and safety standards, better pollution controls, and an end to war. "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." (Eisenhower on the Opportunity Cost of Defense Spending)

That they don't do any of this betrays the complete dishonesty of their movement.

Meanwhile, a very loved person almost dies, several times, and nobody gives a shit, preferring twitter and FB.

And the nobodies are the "future leaders of our world". The people who will pass laws when you'll be retired. The people who will be running your retirement funds.

Is it like the couple is asking for advice and information to make an informed decision or are they trying to relinquish responsibilty for whichever decision they make? I don't care much for the public nature of what they're doing but that could just be from being old or something.

Definitely a troll. But never the less a couple of parents who can't decide for them self whether to have an abortion or not, probably isn't ready to raise a child. I don't see it as death vs. life. If the parents can't manage to raise a child, they're probably better of waiting a few years, until they are mature enough to take on the responsibility to raise a child. Primarily for the sake of the person being brought to life.

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Original post by Steve132 Quote: Original post by Alpha_ProgDes It's tasteless because it's not the mother or the parents making a decision to have the abortion. It's the Internet. The Internet does not and should never have a decision or say in whether YOUR child is to be aborted or not. I'm pro-choice. Which means a woman can choose whether or not she wants to keep the child. Or another way of putting it, a woman can choose whether she, personally, wants to be pro-life or pro-choice. But yeah, this is pretty tasteless. And that's the nicest thing I can say about it. So, would you have the same feeling if the medical procedure to be performed was elective cosmetic surgery? What about a particular type of cancer treatment? If she had instead made a site "Chemo or Not" where she asked people to vote on whether or not she should get chemotherapy, would you feel the same revulsion? Her right to control/choose her cancer treatment is the same as her right to control/choose her abortion procedure, (they both derive from the right to control/choose one's own medical treatments applied to their own body). If the offence comes from you disapproving of her giving up control of her medical choices to the internet, then logically you would feel the same anger at the "Chemo or Not" or "Fake Boobs or Not" websites. Am I wrong here?

Let's suppose for a moment it's not a troll.

(1) There's a big difference between asking others for advice and asking others to make a decision for you. The former can be wise; the latter is irresponsible. Leaving an abortion up to an arbitrary poll on the internet comes off to me as terribly irresponsible and lazy and uncaring.

(2) They've let the fetus develop beyond the point where most pro-abortion people would be comfortable getting an abortion. I'm pro-abortion, but I also think it should be absolutely as soon as possible, and the longer the mother waits, the more against it I become. They've let the fetus clearly develop into a miniature, semi-functioning human, and they are still leaving its life up to a vote. Abortion to me is not a light-weighted decision like getting breast implants. It's a very deep decision that must be made with all seriousness. I'm not pro-abortion because I think people should be able to kill off developed babies in their wombs because some internet poll told them to do so; I'm pro-abortion because there are unfortunately situations where a birth would either completely ruin the life of the mother or the life of the to-be-born baby or both, but even then it's very important to me that the decision be made quickly.

However, after other posts here, I agree that this seems to be a troll to me. They have no legitimate reason for seeking the abortion, and I really don't think anybody could be insensitive enough as to commit actions (1) and (2) simultaneously.

Unimportant of being pro life or pro abortion, I just hate such publicity stunts. We currently have them to get racist laws going on. It doesn't matter what the topic is, nonsensical stuff that is just there to manipulate people (and media) should be forbidden. They should get sued to hell.

And besides, the kid should be aborted. Poor kid have to grow up in such a family that abused it? Thanks, no. Imagine the day it'll find it's parents photo on the internet..

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Original post by LessBread It seems to me that militant pro-lifers in the USA ought to be picketing governors demanding the commutation of death sentences, picketing legislatures demanding the repeal of capital punishment, demanding the passage of laws requiring health insurance companies to cover all forms of birth control and demanding the swift passage of universal health care on the grounds that it tends to cut the abortion rate (Universal health care tends to cut the abortion rate, March 14, 2010). And picketing Congress and the White House demanding better health and safety standards, better pollution controls, and an end to war. "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." (Eisenhower on the Opportunity Cost of Defense Spending) That they don't do any of this betrays the complete dishonesty of their movement.

There's a saying I hear often; "They are only pro-life before birth; after you're born you're on your own."

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Original post by Mithrandir Quote: Original post by LessBread It seems to me that militant pro-lifers in the USA ought to be picketing governors demanding the commutation of death sentences, picketing legislatures demanding the repeal of capital punishment, demanding the passage of laws requiring health insurance companies to cover all forms of birth control and demanding the swift passage of universal health care on the grounds that it tends to cut the abortion rate (Universal health care tends to cut the abortion rate, March 14, 2010). And picketing Congress and the White House demanding better health and safety standards, better pollution controls, and an end to war. "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." (Eisenhower on the Opportunity Cost of Defense Spending) That they don't do any of this betrays the complete dishonesty of their movement. There's a saying I hear often; "They are only pro-life before birth; after you're born you're on your own."

That and fetuses have never raped and killed people. Comparing abortion to capital punishment is silly at best.

That being said, I agree with pretty much all of the rest of Less's post. Abstinence only birth control and being completely pro-life is a recipe for disaster. I'm all for having free condoms available in middle and highschools, but I know the religious right would see that as encouraging pre-marital sex.