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Fear of auto word wrap?

Started by May 25, 2010 01:50 AM
46 comments, last by szecs 14 years, 5 months ago
Quote: Original post by PlayfulPuppy
Every time I see people do that I can't help but read it in my mind as some form of dreadful beat poetry.
Ha! I'm glad I'm not the only one!
Quote: Original post by Christopher Loyd
In every English class you attend, double spacing after a sentence is required, and you'll be counted off for grammar if you choose not to do so. Basically, it boils down to common practice in school systems -- It's what we're taught, why change it?
Not where I come from. I remember one teacher in school mentioning it when we were learning grammar, but they disregareded it as an old practice, like non-metric measurements or paper money. It wasn't brought up at university in our "grammar refresher" and certainly wasn't required. According to wikipedia this tradition has been out of fashion for over half a century now.
Quote: Original post by way2lazy2care
There are a good amount of studies on what makes text easier to read, and shorter lines is one of them.
And you can resize your window if that's better for you ;P Putting manual line breaks in screws with your browsers ability to format text by itself... for example, if I choose to use a thin browser window, the original example of manually formatted text starts looking very broken:
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Quote: Original post by Hodgman
Not where I come from. I remember one teacher in school mentioning it when we were learning grammar, but they disregareded it as an old practice, like non-metric measurements or paper money. It wasn't brought up at university in our "grammar refresher" and certainly wasn't required. According to wikipedia this tradition has been out of fashion for over half a century now.


Let me rephrase then, in the United States.

Also wikipedia is probably one of the most unreliable and misused citations ever. Again, most colleges don't even allow you to use wikipedia as a source for anything.

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Quote: Original post by Christopher Loyd
Let me rephrase then, in the United States.
That's a bit different :P
Quote: most colleges don't even allow you to use wikipedia as a source for anything.
Yeah, every english class will tell you to only use it to locate the ISBNs that are referenced in it's articles so you can check the sources yourself.

Anyway, this IS a technology based software development forum...you'd think, that posters would be aware that HTML ignores your double spacing ;)
Quote: Original post by Hodgman
Anyway, this IS a technology based software development forum...you'd think, that posters would be aware that HTML ignores your double spacing ;)


like someone else pointed out. Even though your double spacing is ignored, some people will be less efficient trying to overcome those long standing habits.

Quote: And you can resize your window if that's better for you ;P Putting manual line breaks in screws with your browsers ability to format text by itself... for example, if I choose to use a thin browser window, the original example of manually formatted text starts looking very broken:

I'm not the one whining about it. you can resize your skinny browser window if the extra line breaks are a problem for you. I have no problems reading it either way. I'm just saying there are scientific reasons for doing it that way.
Quote: Original post by sunandshadow
Because collapsing whitespace to a single space is _wrong_ behavior and we're waiting for the web to catch up to real typography. Publishers expect two spaces after periods, it makes printed text easier to read. They will tell you you're doing it wrong if you send them a manuscript with single spaces between sentences.
I can't say I've ever submitted a manuscript myself, but a quick look at some of the books on the shelf behind me indicates that the spaces after full stops are approximately the same as tgise between words. They're certainly not double the size!

Quote: Original post by Christopher Loyd
In every English class you attend, double spacing after a sentence is required, and you'll be counted off for grammar if you choose not to do so. Common used grammar/citation guidelines such as APA also require it.
Learning the type was part of computing lessons, not English lessons over here. We used a monospace word processor on the BBC Micro and monospace dot-matrix or daisy wheel printers and so used two spaces. When I moved to Windows machines with graphical word processors and printers I reverted to the usual single space.

The first result I found for the APA guidelines states "Space once after a period, comma, colon, or semi‑colon."

Quote: Basically, it boils down to common practice in school systems -- It's what we're taught, why change it?
It reminds me a little of people who indent paragraphs by hammering away on the space bar then inserting hard line breaks at the end of each line. This avoids deficiencies in mechanical typewriters, but now that we have advanced software word processors there's little reason to hang on to these archaic practices. [smile]

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Quote: Original post by benryves
I can't say I've ever submitted a manuscript myself, but a quick look at some of the books on the shelf behind me indicates that the spaces after full stops are approximately the same as tgise between words. They're certainly not double the size!



Most books these days still have huge spelling flaws, and use their own grammatical style based on what they feel looks good to the reader. Open up any novel and this is quite apparent. Especially when it consists of

Jill laughs out loud as Tom buries his head into the sand.
Jill says "Silly Tom!"
Tom pokes his head out and yells "FREEEEEEEDOM!"

Typing such things in a document for higher learning would get you laughed at. So books/novels are no where to look at actual proper, English grammar. The only way to find that is in an actual English book.

Quote: Learning the type was part of computing lessons, not English lessons over here. We used a monospace word processor on the BBC Micro and monospace dot-matrix or daisy wheel printers and so used two spaces. When I moved to Windows machines with graphical word processors and printers I reverted to the usual single space.

The first result I found for the APA guidelines states "Space once after a period, comma, colon, or semi‑colon."



It is however, 2010 and most people learn to type on computers. Unfortunately the only way to turn in an English paper was typed, and these had certain guidelines -- regardless of your typing class, it's what you're taught grammatically. Also APA format guidelines change from college to college, the community college I went to, as well as technical school both required two spaces after the end of a sentence.

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Quote: Original post by Christopher Loyd
Jill laughs out loud as Tom buries his head into the sand.
Jill says "Silly Tom!"
Tom pokes his head out and yells "FREEEEEEEDOM!"


I think you need to start reading better novels.

During my search to make it to proper print I found 5 publishers, and 8 printers who have all failed to even mention double space after a full stop in specification requests. 3 other printers even stated that it should not be done for modern printing, but none supported it.
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If your signature on a web forum takes up more space than your average post, then you are doing things wrong.
Christopher Loyd is more "active" than I am (my life is about gamedev.net).
Anyhoo, I'm sure he will have the last word in this thread.
People should just use LaTeX. Let the typography nerds who maintain it do all the work for you :P
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Quote: Original post by szecs
Christopher Loyd is more "active" than I am (my life is about gamedev.net).
Anyhoo, I'm sure he will have the last word in this thread.


Personal attacks, ignorance.

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