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Having not watched a single episode of LOST (I prefer my shows to be self-contained 30 min packages that don't require a goddamn committment to watch), I had the finale explained to me by my mother-in-law. (...)

Nice job ignoring the fact that everyone else was carefully avoiding posting spoilers. Also I would say that saying "in the first place" suggests that you missed the point, and I would encourage you to re-watch it, but since you admit that you never watched it anyway I'm not sure why you're even here except to try to ruin it for other people who haven't seen it yet.

The characters were not dead four years ago!

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Yeah, I got that part, but why the amnesia and why was Eloise (Faraday's mother) trying to stop Faraday?

I need to re-watch it to know for sure but I'm pretty sure Eloise asked whether Daniel was leaving and Desmond said "not with us" because Eloise wanted to re-establish her relationship with Daniel (after she was responsible for his death) even though she already knows what's going on. Daniel, I think, doesn't know everything yet.

Quote: I actually think they were trying to reinforce the sacrifice of himself to save the island after it happened. I'm not commenting that I don't understand it (misproper wording on my part), I was just laughing and commenting that they don't have to hammer it in with a blunt object.

No, I know that's what you meant, but I still think it was meant to be a red herring rather than hollow symbolism.

Quote: Like I said, Anna Lucia wasn't there (at least that I could see). But you're right, I most certainly did forget Sayid, which is odd, since he's been my favorite charactor since the beginning of the show. [smile]

I said the opposite of what I meant to say regarding Ana Lucia. I was trying to say that Hurley, who was there, is just as much of a minority as Ana Lucia.

I just watched it... it's soooo cute!!! :)

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Quote: And what's with the sickeningly humanistic emergent church symbolism? Bah, political correctness.

I'm not sure you're using "humanistic" correctly but if it were only a Jesus church then people would whine about the fact that the ending didn't really fit that religion, not to mention that a number of the characters were not Christian, like Sayid, in particular.

I take it this gripe pertains to the stained glass window in the background of the room in the church where the coffin rested. The religious symbols in the window showed up in various episodes from the series. The wheel comes to mind.

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Quote: Third... anyone else notice the (unintentional, I'm sure) racist selection of those who were in the final scene? Where's Echo? Walt? Michael? Why were none of the black charactors there? The only exception is Rose. Also, the other minority charactor, Anna Lucea, wasn't there either. [headshake]

Well, it's true that there weren't any African people, but as for minority characters you're forgetting Sayid again. Hurley was also Hispanic as was Anna Lucia. I'm not sure they said where either of those characters actually came from more specifically, though.

And Richard Alpert was a Spanish peasant. The actor who played Michael (Harold something or other) participated in the Jimmy Kimmel follow up show. I agree that it would have been nice for the end to have included Echo and Walt. Walt could have been brought back as a student at the high school in the sideways universe.



Did anyone watch the series finale of "24" tonight?

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What did you guys think?

That's terrible. I'm buying the DVDs with a newspaper, currently at the 4th season.
So far, the first two seasons were ok to me, the 3rd didn't satisfy but definitely enjoyable overall.

You may have noticed but I changed the thread so that people are warned that spoilers may be in here so feel free to discuss theories from now on if you want, just don't expect anyone who hasn't seen it to comment anymore.

@Servant of the Lord, I think I heard from someone that the actor that played Echo wanted like tons of money for appearing so it wasn't worth the 2-3 minutes he would be seen in the background with maybe 1 or 2 main screen shots. Not sure about all the others you mentioned though.

From what I get out of it I thought the island stuff happened whereas the 'flashsideways' was what happened after the island stuff (which would take place after that last shot of Jack's eye). The thing that annoys me with this though is that the 'reality' was WAAAAY more unrealistic than the 'flashsideways'. It's like saying when you go to work you find magical unicorns and when you sleep you dream about sitting around drinking coffee normally.

I've only ever seen one episode of Lost and that was back in 2006, but judging by some comments made it appears that the show has got too convoluted and has been running too long, to the extent that it's got totally out of hand and they had to come up with a truly dreadful ending to try and kludge as much of it together as they could.

The Ashes To Ashes finale, aired in the UK on Friday 21st, was vaguely similar from that regard as it had to tie up loose ends from the original Life On Mars series from 2006-07. The A2A ending was quite good, though - it's just the final episode trying to explain everything felt somewhat rushed.

They sort of just copped out with the "everyone was just dead" device, but really what they were saying all of season 6 was "they're all going to die, and get this bizarre afterlife". The end of the actual island story arc is... wait for it... Everyone dies while fighting over the island.

That's OK, I can live with a tragedy.

My real problem is all the stuff that was made out to be important (sometimes for whole seasons), and then dropped. An incomplete list:

* The numbers--what is their significance? And what does it have to do with pressing the button?
* On that note, if pressing the button actually was averting disaster, why didn't someone build a freaking machine to push it? Wouldn't that be a little more reliable than a crazy guy under quarantine?
* What was the Dharma initiative there for, and how did they find the island without crashing and dying?
* How did Ethan have superhuman strength and speed if he was just another dude from the Dharma leftovers?
* Why did everyone decide to come back to the island after they got out the first time?
* What was up with the human monkey cages back in season... 3?
* Why did pregnant women always lose their babies on the island?
* Why was Jacob so supernaturally elusive for so long, then just start hanging out with people after 2000 years?

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They sort of just copped out with the "everyone was just dead" device, but really what they were saying all of season 6 was "they're all going to die, and get this bizarre afterlife". The end of the actual island story arc is... wait for it... Everyone dies while fighting over the island.

But they weren't just all dead. They all just ended up together after they died, whenever that was. That is why Christian told Jack, some died before you and some died after you. The "Purgatory" they ended up in existed outside of time.

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* The numbers--what is their significance? And what does it have to do with pressing the button?

Well the numbers themselves were references to the candidates and the degrees on Jacob's mirror in the lighthouse.

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* On that note, if pressing the button actually was averting disaster, why didn't someone build a freaking machine to push it? Wouldn't that be a little more reliable than a crazy guy under quarantine?

In someways, I think this was just Charles Widmore being a dick and getting Desmond away from Penny. It's also possible it was setup by Jacob to prove Desmond could be used as a weapon against the man in black.

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* What was the Dharma initiative there for, and how did they find the island without crashing and dying?

Elenore showed the survivors in Season 5 a device Dharma used to find the island. I'd also say Jacob wanted them to be there, he just made it difficult.

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* Why did everyone decide to come back to the island after they got out the first time?

The general explanation seemed to be they felt drawn back to the island, probably with a little extra help from Jacob. Jacob told them their lives were basically broken, and he was trying to help add purpose in their lives.

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* Why was Jacob so supernaturally elusive for so long, then just start hanging out with people after 2000 years?

I kind of got the impression this was conditioning from his adoptive mother. She pretty much preached that the other people on the island were bad. And thanks to their outside influence, his brother (man in black) kind of fell further to the dark side. It wasn't till Richard arrived on the island about ~180 years previous to the modern story did Jacob basically have a means to stay separated from them, but still have some influence.

I think you are all avoiding the real question on everybody's mind...

Why wasn't Vincent in the church?

In all seriousness, I haven't seen anything past the beginning of Season 3, although from what I've seen I would assume the button pushing was done because it was all built in the supposed 70's. It looked to me like the whole initiative slowly became abandoned and outdated (hence the whole computers with the tape in the background of the first hatch). It would be like asking why they were using some horrible 70's super computer and not a quad core i7.

I haven't seen it yet, but I've heard the polar bears were made captive by the initiative, that might explain the big cages. Although one of the questions that many brought up then was, were the polar bears brought there or were they natively on the island?