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Got attacked at work again and no body did anything...

Started by October 09, 2009 03:01 AM
57 comments, last by Iron Chef Carnage 15 years, 1 month ago
If you call someone a name, that's on you. If they punch you in response that's on them. Which is worse, the name calling or the punching? If management does nothing to halt either behavior, that's on them, but it's worse if they do nothing in response to workplace violence.

Why Jim Badasci 'Went Postal': How Bullying Bosses and Economic Devastation Are Behind America's Latest Workplace Shooting

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There was another workplace rampage killing last week, just outside of Fresno, Calif., leaving two company employees dead and the other employees grateful to be alive.

Fresno, like so much of unofficial America, is still in a state of shock these days, after suffering from a nonstop barrage of tragic events and trends, of subprime devastation, a three-year drought, and political corruption and machinations that seem to be accelerating with every month.

So, unlike workplace shootings in the past, this one was quickly pushed off the front pages and almost forgotten, just a couple of days after it happened.

But like so many workplace shootings, scratch the surface of Fresno today to get a sense of context, and you'll be shocked by how corrupt, desperate and bizarre the situation has become.
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This is particularly interesting, because I've written about this in the past: the definition of mental illness in today's workplace is when you're too sensitive to mistreatment, bullying, stress, wage cuts, firing, etc., and you want to fight back; a healthy mind should be able to take it all in stride, accept it with a harmless grumble and "move on."
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Getting screwed over the way we have been these past 30 years is something new -- as are the workplace massacres, pitting employee against company, which only started after the Reagan Revolution handed all power to the shareholders and convinced the losers in that deal -- the 90 percent of Americans whose lives got worse in every measurable way since then -- that in fact it was in our own best interests to turn corporations into little profit gulags, where the inmates could be downsized at will, and mass layoffs in the tens and hundreds of thousands became so common in good times and in bad that it proved Stalin's dictum about "one victim is a tragedy, a million victims is a statistic."
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It is as if we've come to accept these rampage slayings as inevitable, as if there were always worker-on-worker killings in the American workplace, as if the workplace was always a dangerous place, a stressful place, a humiliating, degrading, insecure place where no one could be trusted, from the executives stuffing their pockets to the co-worker you wrongly suspect of being "the type who'd go postal."

All that is brand new by any historical measure: The first of these modern workplace massacres, pitting abused employee against his own company, took place just 20 years ago this month, at the Standard Gravure plant in Louisville, Ky., when an aggrieved employee arrived at work with a gym bag full of weapons, and killed eight co-workers and wounded 12, before blowing his brains out.
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Workplace shootings, in which an employee stages an armed suicide attack on his company, or supervisors, or co-workers, only began a couple of decades ago, after Reagan's Revolution successfully stripped whatever power and leverage employees once had and handed it all to the shareholders and executives.

Since then, it's been hell for an increasing number of Americans, and it's no coincidence that a brand-new crime of desperation appeared with the Reagan Revolution: the worker who "goes postal."

The first massacres began in the mid-to-late-1980s, and the shootings have repeated with such regularity that it seems we've gotten to the point where we almost accept them as part of the landscape, as if they're inevitable and they've always been with us, and always will.
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Hmm, possible omissions aside, it does seem like you lot may be being a little harsh on this guy.
In any work environment within any developed country, if this behaviour is reported to supervisors and/or higher-ups, it should be stringently dealt with. The insults could go either way, as it sounds like there may be a water-off-a-duck's-back culture of it, but physical violence (and bullying/ostracization) are well below any standard of civility.

Coda, are there any relevant ombudsmen you could take your story to? Otherwise, litigation may be worthwhile; or, if you favour a less litigious route, find another job.

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He has a rating of zero on this forum.

Incidentally, I only just realised that the rating system exists. [oh]

Still contemplating whether or not I approve of such a system. I'll try to abstain from basing my decision on how good a rating of one-thousand-and-whatever is. >_>
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Quote: Original post by LessBread
If you call someone a name, that's on you. If they punch you in response that's on them. Which is worse, the name calling or the punching?


Personally, I'd rather be punched.
But then, I am a sensitive guy. :)
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Sounds like your supervisor is incompetent or finds it amusing, to watch you get hurt. Try reporting it to higher-authority or law enforcement agency.

This isn't elementary school, you don't have to *pray* the teacher catches the bullies... in the act. If you are being assaulted, a crime is taking place, treat it as if someones breaking into your home, or stealing your car.
Quote: Original post by CodaKiller
Fact is the working environment is awful, every body hates each other but I've been there for 3 years doing the same exact thing and I'm getting really tired of dealing with these people so I'm not exactly the nicest person.

The supervisors are always yelling at everyone telling them to hurry up no matter how fast they are going, they curse and call people names as well. Coworkers call me names, seems like their favorite one at the moment is "fag" I believe it's just the environment and the type of people who work there.

I'm just going to start looking for a new job.


Sounds like a right scum pit. I'd leave that inbred shower of bastards and get another job.

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Quote: Original post by CodaKiller
punched me in the gut twice after I called him a "fatty"


Not to say he was right to punch you - it's still wrong and should be dealt with accordingly. However you calling him "fatty" could be considered bullying, and thus you should be dealt with accordingly too. If the place is crap to work at and you really don't get on with people there - get a new job.

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This is a more or less a common practice in the Russian army where the order/orders are 'enforced' by an unwritten hierarchy. Basically the management allows the existence of 'elders' which make sure the orders are executed and the employees don't begin to fight among themselves/take the matters in their own hands.

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Coda, there is something really fishy about your story. Maybe you work with a group of high school students, but in all my professional working life, I've never heard of behavior even remotely similar to this. The worst I can think of is when someone stood too close to me when he was upset about a deadline.


Before I got a job doing programming, I worked temp jobs doing manual labor, assembly lines, etc. I saw this kind of thing all the time. This kind of workplace behavior mainly happens when it's a job that nobody wants to do, and the workers can't (for whatever reason - motivation, education, ability, economy, etc) get a job they like more. Everyone eventually gets disgruntled just like Coda says.

Yeah I'm suprised this wasn't caught on security camera somewhere. At last assembly line job I had they had to install them after too many attacks on workers from coworkers including an incident where some girls stabbed each other with knives!
Ironically, they used the camera's more to fire people that took long breaks than to actually prevent fights AFAICT.

p.s. On a side note the only time I ever resorted to violence myself was during my time in the military where the stresses of war got the better of me and I punched a fellow worker right in the face as hard as I could and caused his nose to bleed. There were tons of others standing around and noone said anything at the time either. I felt bad at the time but it did resolve my problem since the troublemaker I punched in the face never bothered or invaded my personal space again LOL.
I would not recommend this in the civilian word since rule of course are different and you could be charged with battery,etc...
Even so, I would not resort to violence normally, it's just as I said one of the few times I ever resorted to violence due to overwhelming stresses.


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Quote: Coda, there is something really fishy about your story. Maybe you work with a group of high school students, but in all my professional working life, I've never heard of behavior even remotely similar to this. The worst I can think of is when someone stood too close to me when he was upset about a deadline.


The keyword in there is "professional". When many/most of your coworkers are just barely high school graduates (if not dropouts) with basically no experience outside of the small town where they grew up, this type of behavior is not terribly uncommon.

The main problem I see with Coda's story is that following most workplace rules by the book, he's just as guilty as the guy who punched him. Unless he has some evidence that most of this stuff has been happening to him without provocation, pursuing action will probably result in him being punished along with the other guy. It sounds like he really just needs to find another job ASAP and learn to keep his mouth shut.
As a side note I think people should read on corporate Japan (where the corporation has life or death rights on the employees/ becomes its guardian) because some of it will become actual to USA.

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