I am not new to programming, in fact, agreeing with the subject of this message, i do have my computer science degree. I have openGL experience from about 2 years ago. i read the "For Beginners" section, and due to their advice, i made "Tetris" in 5 hours (i had to get back into openGL). if you go to http://www.jasontconnell.com/games.asp it'll be there by Monday, January 21, 2002. just making my presence known. if anybody is from near SouthEast Pennsylvania, feel free to write back to me. have fun developing games! Jason "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools talk because they have to say something." -Plato http://www.jasontconnell.com Edited by - JasonTConnell on January 20, 2002 3:37:41 AM