11 hours ago, SillyCow said:On the other hand you have Rey, where there are all kinds of "clues" about her parents. And then... Nothing.Ok, was it some Sith conspiarcy that Snoke set up to trick the general population? No, it's just the writing equivalent of a jump-scare: "Haha, made you look!" . That's just lazy writing.
I don't see it as a jump scare. It's just not what anyone expected. I'd also argue that it does fit: in the context of the film, we see Rey screaming for her parents to come back while being held by the junk dealer dude.
11 hours ago, SillyCow said:And then look at Vice Admiral Holdo (Admiral "blue hair"). I really enjoyed this character in the beginning. Her plot line was surprising. It was supposed to aggravate you, and it did. She was supposed to ridicule 80s action heros. She was supposed to ridicule you (the viewer) for watching a formulated action film in 2017. She was supposed to make you feel small and insignificant, and make you question the very essence of the movies, and she did just that. I was like: Wow, this is refreshing, I can't wait to see what she does: Will she operate a network of spies on the enemy ship? Will she and Princess Leah invoke an Amazonian sisterhood with Captain Phasma? Will she turn out to be a Sith traitor? Maybe she has a secret weapon only she and Leah are aware of (that had to be hidden away) ? Maybe she is secretly another Jedi! The possibilities are endless. I'm on the edge of my seat, this is great!
And then once all is established, and she is given control of the plot, what does she do? The same cowboy heroics that every other 80's action hero does. She made the exact same decision Poe would have taken had she not imprisoned him. This was also lazy writing to me... You subvert expectations regarding to classic Star Wars character building, and then... Nothing.
I disagree on this point as well actually. I saw her entire plot point as another sort of meta-failure (part of the theme of the movie). She essentially failed to effectively manage the ship to ensure the planned getaway. That was my interpretation.
11 hours ago, SillyCow said:And that's the difference between the writing in these movies and the writing in the old movies: Things happen without a reason. Characters say stuff without a reason. Even some character's personality can change without a reason. Techonology changes without a reason (Starships crashing into eachotther, space bombers, etc...) .
And this is my own difference in opinion again: I don't regard the writing of the old trilogy to be that great. It worked for its time, but really there's a ton of stuff that makes little sense in those movies as well.
1 hour ago, Promit said:Looks like the Solo under-performance is having some real fallout:
QuoteExclusive: Plans for future 'A Star Wars Story' films—including the Obi-Wan movie—have been put on hold. http://collider.com/star-wars-spinoffs-on-hold/
IMO this is probably the correct outcome (and I didn't realize they were actually planning to make all these extra movies). All of them feel every bit as cynical and cash-grabby as Solo, created not so much to add anything material as to just drag more audience dollars into the theater on name recognition alone.
More than anything else I'm not sure why they made a movie on Han Solo of all people. Rogue One was interesting in that it explained a pretty critical point to Episode 4: why in hell's name would anyone build a massive, expensive planet killing weapon that has such a critical weakness in it? Where did the plans come from? That made the movie a good mix of nostalgia with some really interesting new takes. It was far darker than other SW movies typically are. Rogue One is still my top favorite new Star Wars movie at the moment.
1 hour ago, Oberon_Command said:11 hours ago, Gnollrunner said:Seriously.......He can stop a blaster bolt in mid air yet he can't even properly dispatch Finn. That fight should have lasted less than a second. I guess different people have a different level of tolerance for these things. I know it's just a movie but it should make a bit of sense.
It probably would have gone much faster if not for the fact that, in a preceding scene, Kylo Ren hadn't taken a blaster bolt in the abdomen. Given that the same weapon that hit him was previously shown to one-shot stormtroopers in armor, I think it's frankly astounding that Kylo Ren could stand, never mind fight with a lightsaber.
A lot of people on the internet seem to have forgotten that he was fighting with a gut wound. I'm not entirely sure why.
8 hours ago, SillyCow said:Ren: Snoke humilated him in front of a girl (who is not Ren's sister/daughter or even "your father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate" .) Is this the first time Snoke publicly manipulated/disrespected Ren? What's special now?
Sometimes a small thing is all it takes to push someone over the edge.
Exactly this. As I repeated before, Ren was really badly wounded by the time he fought Finn and Rey. It's not that odd that he lost to Rey and barely beat Finn. That wound was pretty bad.
Why did Ren turn on Snoke? I'd also add that we've already seen it established that Ren wants power more than anything else. He killed his own father in the last movie. Doesn't that tell you he's a mentally unstable dude? We also keep seeing how he's obsessed with Vader and how he wants to 'finish what he started'. Clearly he's aiming to be even bigger than Darth Vader ever was. It's clear that he's got some pretty twisted aims and it makes sense that in order to be bigger then Vader he'd need to kill his master and become the Master, so to speak.
It builds his character as an irredeemable character and sets up for a good Episode 9. My opinion at least.
54 minutes ago, Anri said:I've got to say that I'm sick and tired of those who have declared a Jihad on The Last Jedi and its cast and crew. I was disappointed by The Force Awakens( my worst fears were confirmed ) but I didn't start sending hate mail to LucasFilm nor putting down others who thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. Why, I've not seen such rampant fanboy terrorism since the announcement of Metroid Federation Force...
This was infuriating actually and I absolutely agree with you here man. It was really sad to see that crusade against the crew. Makes me feel really sad about the state of humanity these days. Sigh, but we're getting off topic.