@conquestor3 - How can you disagree with me, when you actually just agreed with me?
I disagreed with saying I'd have a disadvantage in the case where we both have guns.
If you don't think it will reduce gun violence, say so. If you think that the loss to society will outweigh any resulting drop in gun violence, argue that.
As I said before, I believe in both of those positions. I think we're at an acceptable level of gun violence where nothing needs to be done, and I also feel like the proposed gun regulations would be ineffective at further reducing violence.
It does not however have anything to say about your second statement (adjusting statistics by geographical crime rates).
I will assume for the sake of argument that this is an honest mistake, but please take care not to undermine your own argument with missing data or misleading citations.
I thought it was general knowledge that black areas in the USA had more crime committed by at least a 2 times factor. Ok, this requires a lot of data to prove.
in 2011, 88.2 percent of those stopped by the police said they thought officers acted properly. There were few significant distinctions by race. Nearly 83 percent of African-Americans judged police behavior to be proper
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pbtss11.pdf
So police behave in a similar fashion to both White and Black races, and those stopped are generally ok with police behavior.
58 percent of violent crime victims of identified the perpetrators as white, and 23 percent as black. That compares with a national population 74 percent white and 12 percent black.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0802.pdf
Blacks have (per capita) a much higher crime rate, which we'd expect to lead to more police interactions
for the most part, America's neighborhoods remain highly segregated. The only areas that have become more integrated since 1970 are cities with small minority populations.
- On the whole, segregation is highest in the major metropolitan areas of the Midwest and Northeast and lower in the West and South.
- According to the Lewis Mumford Center at the University of Albany, segregation has increased in almost every large suburban area from 1990 to 2000.
- Across the nation, four out of five whites live outside of the cities and 86 percent of whites live in neighborhoods where minorities make up less than 1 percent of the population. In contrast, 70 percent of Blacks and Latinos live in the cities or inner-ring suburbs.
http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-03-08.htm
The population of Whites/Blacks is mostly self-segregated, with 70% of blacks living in the larger cities/inner suburbs, which means that comparing the cities vs suburbs is possible with a realistic 38%~ margin of error
The key influence on who is stopped in traffic safety stops is how you drive; in investigatory stops it is who you are, and being black is the leading influence. In traffic safety stops, being black has no influence: African Americans are not significantly more likely than whites to be stopped for clear traffic safety law violations. But in investigatory stops, a black man age twenty-five or younger has a 28 percent chance of being stopped for an investigatory reason over the course of a year; a similar young white man has a 12.5 percent chance, and a similar young white woman has only a 7 percent chance. And this is after taking into account other possible influences on being stopped, like how you drive. Police focus investigatory stops on younger people, and so as people grow older they are less likely to be stopped in this way. But a black man must reach fifty—well into the graying years—before his risk of an investigatory stop drops below that of a white man under age twenty-five. Overall, black drivers are nearly three times more likely than whites to be subjected to investigatory stops.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/january_february_2014/ten_miles_square/driving_while_black048283.php?page=all
As you'd expect, Blacks are stopped more often in investigations, as they mostly live in cities where more crime is committed, and fit the description of those being searched for more often in those areas. Similarly, groups that are less often sought for crimes are stopped less (White women, and older men).
59.2% of all contact with the police is because of traffic stops. 20% is done to report a crime
(http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp08.pdf page 3 table 2)
It can be derived that blacks and whites feel interactions with police during their most common interaction (traffic stops) were good at almost exactly the same rate. It can also be derived that areas that are mostly black (cities/inner suburbs) have more crime, and as a result, more police interactions (at a 2-3 times more rate). From this increased interaction, there are more chances for situations to escalate a situation, which leads to more Blacks (In crime susceptible areas) getting shot, per capita.
Unfortunately, there's no concise sources from 1 specific year that have data available related to this, but it makes logical sense with the information that's available that where there's more crimes, police interact with the community more, and there's more police shootings as a result. At the very least, it's clear there's no police bias where they go around shooting Blacks but not Whites. Of course, for most of the USA's history we've grouped Whites/Latinos together with statistical gathering, which makes getting comprehensive statistics for them nearly impossible, so I can't actually rule out that.
