Ironically, I just turned on the TV where SternTV is airing at the very moment. It's about how great asylum seekers are and how bad we Germans are because we hate them so unfairly (showing some well-selected xenophobiea speeches from singular people on Facebook), and we need to welcome the much more.

At the same time, the report admitted that the crime rate in Siegen went up significantly with the arrival of 2,000 refugees, but that doesn't mean anything. The people in Siegen are worried, but they're worried about nothing. The report also mentions neonazis currently seeing big growth.

This is now followed by a discussion round between some guy from Leipzig who says that the police doesn't even enter some quarters and he is worried about his kids blah blah, and another guy from some welfare organization who counters that we need to do much more multi-culti, and it's all no problem.

Sadly I have an appointment, so I can't watch the rest.

Everything in this thread reminds me that in the history of the German people, sometimes periods of disunity were followed by shift to the opposite extreme, such as the 1920s to the 1930s. We know the threat of this current disunity to transform to extreme unity.

Personally I believe that a truly moderate amount of "foreigners" living and working in a country can be a good thing. We know that too much of anything in this world can be a bad thing. What if influx of foreigners denies the majority of native Germans complete self-determination because of policies which silence or obstruct German voice and activism? What if foreigners really are taking a significant number of German jobs while sending part of the foreigner's money back to some Arabic country with values in conflict with German morals? What if the way the German parents want to raise their children and how they want schools to teach them is hindered by the political influences of foreigners?

Even with xenophobic tendencies of Neo-Nazis and other extremists made obvious, they still do seem to play a chord of reality sometimes, don't they?

What if foreigners really are taking a significant number of German jobs while sending part of the foreigner's money back to some Arabic country with values in conflict with German morals?

Probably not a problem. A significant number of foreigners are taking German jobs already. Traditionally, these used to be the jobs that no one wants, but more recently it's the jobs the Germans are unable to do because of lack of education (hello socialists!) or, again, unwilling because of unbearable work conditions and corruption of the system (such as it's the case with physicians, for example).

Who cares what people do with their money? Should we care, should we tell them what to do with it? I think not. It is their money, they can send it where they want. If that is Arabia, then so be it. Also, the money will come back when our government next sells tanks and weapons of mass destruction to that country. Oh wait, we're not doing that.

What if the way the German parents want to raise their children and how they want schools to teach them is hindered by the political influences of foreigners?

That has already been the case since at least the 1970s. It is something you just have to accept because there is no alternative. School is compulsatory, it's not like in the USA.

The only thing you can do is bite through it during elementary school. If you make it to "Gymnasium", you're mostly OK. You might have to accept a longer commute to a more distant Gymnasium, but you'll find one that's good. If you end up in whatever-its-called-now (they change the name and the meaning every two years, last time I looked it was "Hauptschule"), you have pretty much lost, but then you don't have much of a great perspective there anyway (unless you are happy with a worker job).

Samoth,

All the long list of problems that you raised in this thread are not being solved by technology, free-enterprise, democracy, or socialism - quite obvious is it not?

What is the solution to all the major problems in Germany? Unity!

Too many foreigners erode unity of Germans, for a fact. In elections and policy decisions which would otherwise be very close win or loss situations, the foreigners tip the results in their own favor.

This is the reality that [Germans have] always faced since recorded history began.

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I agree.

I live in the USA and know how stupid the majority masses are here. They are typically uninformed and also do not care. They like to work themselves long hours almost to death and then come home for a few hours of junk television programs.

Probably because there are no higher paying jobs ... but we are not talking about American pay scale here

The problem with lack of good paying jobs has several major causes, in my opinion:

1) Majority of Americans are not thinking strategically in their career path and applying themselves hard at it, including training and networking.

2) Truly excessive competition (extreme) by foreign owned companies are driving wages down.

3) Republicans typically obstruct things such as adjusting minimum wage for inflation and they definitely won't accept a "living wage". In fact they are huge proponents of extreme "free trade" practicing which offer no protection to good USA companies and American wages. I am no fan boy of too much protectionism, but in this case we have no protection from suppressed wages and loss of tax revenue do to loss of commerce to extreme foreign competition.

I am saying that present "free trade" is clearly extreme!

It seems to me that Germany is facing many of the same kinds of problems, are they not?

Guys, look, I am no Neo-Nazi,

Even with xenophobic tendencies of Neo-Nazis and other extremists made obvious, they still do seem to play a chord of reality sometimes, don't they?

At the rate you're going, I estimate you'll chant sieg heil in about 3 to 4 more posts.

To deny the realities in Germany just because Neo-Nazis are not afraid to confront them is foolish for anybody, in my view.

Here in the USA, we have a majority which refuses to even think about issues which are the realities of major consequence to the country because of a phobia that the majority has toward being falsely labeled as a Nazi themselves.

Realities exist even if Nazis talk about them!

There is a whole ton of false suspicions and false accusations type thinking in the USA - no grasp on reality - by the majority which is subdivided into dis-unified and stupefied factions, like in Germany.

Just because we hate the Nazi movement, the realities which they raise will not disappear.

All the long list of problems that you raised in this thread [...]
Too many foreigners erode unity of Germans, for a fact.

No. The vast majority of foreigners living here is not eroding anything. The vast majority of them is not a problem, but is very welcome.

The problem is that people are not able to differentiate and that people are not able to tell, and not willing to hear the truth when it is an inconvenient truth (because they've been taught to cower and deny for 6 decades).

The part of foreigners that is eroding the country is a small but nevertheless very noticeable part. They're like the neonazis of which preip said they're only few. They may be few, but that does not mean that they are not very noticeable and harmful, and that there is no clear and present danger coming from them.

What's wrong with the situation is that these few foreigners have by far the biggest share in crime (total, all foreigners and all Germans included) and social welfare abuse. Pareto principle at its best, except it's not 80/20 but more like 99/1. The right thing to do would be to kick this 1% out, then the other 99% would be 100% good.

You're not seriously telling me that I could keep my green card after the US police caught me selling drugs, or that I could apply for SNAP when I'm known to run a violent anti-US Salafi group. Not seriously?

Except, in Germany you aren't even allowed to think any such thing, because if you do, you're automatically a hater of all foreigners.

Except, in Germany you aren't even allowed to think any such thing, because if you do, you're automatically a hater of all foreigners.

That fear of criticism is much of the problem, indeed. As I highlighted in previous post here, we have the same fear of being labeled a fanatic or lunatic here in the USA. It stifles objective public discussion and harmful to everybody to be under so much false accusing, especially in politics.

Every time that there is a 4 year term election season here in the USA, we hear reports of politicians labeling this candidate or that candidate as a Nazi - a blatant false accusation, but the realities of "welfare queens" who refuse to educate and work having numbers of children born into poverty. Meanwhile illegal immigrants by the millions are not paying their fare share of taxes because they are illegally here after all, but putting a load of billions of dollars on infrastructure and health care which the legal citizens must pay in taxes and higher insurance rates!

All the while, stupid majority of Americans do not care because they just want a paycheck to spend money on the pleasures of life and to hell with the rest of the country.

Likewise, why should German tax payer dollars go to pay for the welfare of recent immigrants to Germany when their own children struggle to advance?