They aren't killing the trade in market; you'll still be able to trade in your games to shops.

The precise details are still a bit sketchy on how this will work as there is a cost associated with it (for the shops to pay; you don't get charged the full game price for taking a second hand copy of a game home to play, despite what was reported) but current MS have only officially briefed retailers on it.

So, just to repeat, they are NOT killing the trade in market at all.

As to the loan thing, that might be a problem (although they still haven't given full details on that either) however in a world where you can't loan Steam based PC games, phone apps or DRM controlled TV shows and films (brought via something like iTunes) those who care about this issue might be in the minority as every day life people seem content with this arrangement.

(Yes, yes, I'm sure you've seen 'plenty' of people moan about this but chances are you are seeing this because of the bubble you live in friends and forums wise - outside of the tech-savvy areas of the internet the Xbox One launch has been apparently received well by many too.)

outside of the tech-savvy areas of the internet the Xbox One launch has been apparently received well by many too

I'd love to hear it's good points. I suppose many will reserve those opinions till after E3.

From what I recall various sites have praised the interface, the social aspect and the tv integration - I'm sure there were other things as well but I don't have links to hand right now nor do I fancy going off to find them, I just recall they do exist as someone brought them up in another thread on another forum I use.

From what I recall various sites have praised the interface, the social aspect and the tv integration - I'm sure there were other things as well but I don't have links to hand right now nor do I fancy going off to find them, I just recall they do exist as someone brought them up in another thread on another forum I use.

By coincidence, I read this just the other day...

http://kotaku.com/mainstream-media-reacts-to-the-xbox-one-509243303

outside of the tech-savvy areas of the internet the Xbox One launch has been apparently received well by many too

I'd love to hear it's good points. I suppose many will reserve those opinions till after E3.

The guy who does Francis uploaded an 'actual opinion' video after his Francis rage video that covers most of the ok points.

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In general his point is the extra stuff doesn't really matter and is mostly nice to have, but it's going to come down to the games, most of which are being announced at E3. Worth a watch. He has a lot of the same opinions as people who really dislike the announcement, but comes to much more reasonable conclusions.

Well, Microsoft just officially acknowledged all of the worst rumors of the One are true. Source.

The internet connection thing is absurd. There's no reason why on God's green earth they HAVE to do that.

Microsoft just sold a lot of PS4's, methinks.

Well, Microsoft just officially acknowledged all of the worst rumors of the One are true. Source.

The internet connection thing is absurd. There's no reason why on God's green earth they HAVE to do that.

Microsoft just sold a lot of PS4's, methinks.

They HAVE to do that in order to get rid of physical media and still allow people to sell / trade games. I'm looking forward to not having to keep track of game discs anymore. This is one of the reasons I only buy PC games via Steam. No media, download and install whenever you want.

Well, Microsoft just officially acknowledged all of the worst rumors of the One are true. Source.

The internet connection thing is absurd. There's no reason why on God's green earth they HAVE to do that.

Microsoft just sold a lot of PS4's, methinks.

They HAVE to do that in order to get rid of physical media and still allow people to sell / trade games. I'm looking forward to not having to keep track of game discs anymore. This is one of the reasons I only buy PC games via Steam. No media, download and install whenever you want.

I am the opposite. I can keep track of all my CD, SD cards, cartridges. I still have my snes, n64, gamecube, xbox, xbox 360, and wii games in one area: my shelf. I love physical media, it needs to be in my hands. I don't want my whole life to depend on my internet connection. Its easy, insert media and play. Much faster than installing as well.

They HAVE to do that in order to get rid of physical media and still allow people to sell / trade games. I'm looking forward to not having to keep track of game discs anymore. This is one of the reasons I only buy PC games via Steam. No media, download and install whenever you want.

What? No, you can still get rid of physical media and not have to have a console check for an internet connection every 24 hours. You can buy a game digitally, download it, and never have to go online for it to work again (unless its DRM requires it to). There is no reason why the Xbox One has to go online every 24 hours, and the "cloud gaming" excuse is ridiculous, not to mention the technology is still in its infancy and there's definitely going to be downed servers. Unless everyone has a Google Fiber connection, cloud gaming shouldn't even exist yet.

What? No, you can still get rid of physical media and not have to have a console check for an internet connection every 24 hours. You can buy a game digitally, download it, and never have to go online for it to work again (unless its DRM requires it to). There is no reason why the Xbox One has to go online every 24 hours, and the "cloud gaming" excuse is ridiculous, not to mention the technology is still in its infancy and there's definitely going to be downed servers. Unless everyone has a Google Fiber connection, cloud gaming shouldn't even exist yet.

You somehow missed the part about being able to resell those games or give them to friends. You can also play them from other people's consoles by logging into your account. The only way to allow a single digital copy to run on multiple machines is to have those machines online and capable of checking in. Otherwise you could just log into your friend's Xbox, download all of your games, put it in offline mode and now you and your friend both have full copies of all of your games.