[quote name='SteveDeFacto' timestamp='1325786416' post='4900034']
[quote name='kseh' timestamp='1325783814' post='4900014']
Near as I can tell, adversity is something that is needed in society. We need something to fight against or to overcome. Without it humans have no reason to try to adapt or change things to increase their odds of survival. And of course, too much of it also decreases our odds of survival. If the premice behind creating a nation is to remove elements of adversity (particularily ones that make you uncomfortable in the society you currently live in), you are ultimately creating a weakness (inability to adapt to adversity) which will lead back to the problems that you were trying to escape in the first place. This is why "evil" exists and why it must constantly be fought.
Further, I can't help but point out that it kinda sounds as though you have this design document for a massively multiplayer society simulation and all you need is the programmers to bring it to life. I'm sorry but I have my own worlds that I'd like to create and experiment with and you will probably find it to be the same with other programmers. It'd be best if you first experiment with something on a smaller scale to learn the fundamental skills and dynamics involved in this industry and be prepared to continuously learn new things as technology and paradigms evolve.
I agree adversity is a dreaded but necessary fact of life. However, you have only stated what I have been trying to explain all along. As I see it the earth is a living system in which all organisms are interdependent on each other. Trees produce oxygen, bacteria in the ocean maintain the proper pH balance to support life, and predators keep prey from reproducing infinitely and stripping the land barren. Each organism makes up a cell in the entire living system we call earth. Unfortunately, one type of cell has mutated and the systems of regulation which apply to every other cell to prevent it from reproducing beyond what can be sustainable has been broken. In other words humans have become the cancer of the earth. The system will collapse and we will all die with it.
As for my project I see little how that has to do with this topic, and I've already come to the conclusion you have stated. At this point I have little interest in finding help and will continue to work on it alone no matter how in vain my attempts may be.
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No comment on any other programming projects you may be working on was intended. What I meant by that last bit was an attempt to politely, yet with a hint of humour, decline your offer to join your society while sugesting that rather than trying to start with something big like forming a nation maybe starting something smaller like on the scale of a local community. I was trying draw a metaphor likening this idea of creating a nation to the ambitous plans of a beginner programer who wants to build an MMO with no experience behind him and only needs a few programmers to help realise his vision. I would hope that you can see the similarities and the humour.
If your over all concern is about the well being of life on the planet, it seems to me that you would have a smaller chance of affecting a change to avert global disaster by breaking away from existing centers of power than if you were to work from within them. If it's easy to become a politician then do it and effect a real change.
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Actually, my concerns are with the survival of mankind. I care little about the lesser organisms which will inevitably be whipped out by an unforeseen natural disaster such as an asteroid or most likely mankind. I would like to see mankind eventually move to the stars but at this rate I don't think that day will ever come. I see little investment in our space program and as resources become tighter this problem is only getting worse. My hope is that by gathering the worlds greatest minds and enabling them to make real changes we can escape the fate of this world and all who inhabit it.
