Interbreeding along side a crumbling economy will push even the most stubborn individuals to see the hard truth. Not just on my imaginary island but the whole world will also likely realizing at this point as well.

How so?

Interbreeding is clearly not a problem when you are considering the whole world - genetic diversity only becomes an issue when you seriously limit your gene pool (including through eugenics programs, ironically). And as for economic collapse, there is exactly no evidence that so-called 'undesirables' are a significant drain on the system. idiot politicians and rampant greed can crash an economy just fine all by themselves...

@[color="#284b72"]NicoLaCrevette: I think I'd say that a range of skills are useful in Government. You don't want one made up just of scientists or engineers, but you also don't want one that doesn't have any of these, and only is made up of lawyers, political scientists and so on. I don't think that people with those backgrounds are better than those with scientific backgrounds (as I say, I like my scientist-background MP better than most); rather you want a mix in Government.

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is about being able to successfully create a nation from scratch on our own , not about being politician. (and even this [s]nonsense[/s] level of education / experience would be nothing, ridiculous compared to the task. I also could say having 50 PhD and 1000 years old. Having a plain and perfect comprehension of Human. Being God. Whatever. I should have exagerate more sorry because I was just trying to say this is just impossible and doesn't make any practical sense I think. Is there any nation in the world that popped up really from scratch ? Nation is a matter of evolution[/quote]I agree that starting a nation from scratch presents difficult problems.[/font]

will be an adhocracy in which all citizens will have equal rights to vote[/quote]

But they won't have the right to citizenship (may get deported). Or right to reproduce. Or right to property (can't have someone who has been deported for being undesirable own property).

Interbreeding

Are you pure blood? Do you have your genetic lineage mapped back one thousand years or however many it takes?


You really might want to tone down this talk a bit. It's crossed well into verbotten direction by now.

No, purging people is not a solution to economic problems, just a convenient excuse that has historically been used during times of poverty by people who sought power. Xenophobia is easily abused for such purpose.

Finally, you really need to look at numbers. Chances are good you are the minority.

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Interbreeding along side a crumbling economy will push even the most stubborn individuals to see the hard truth. Not just on my imaginary island but the whole world will also likely realizing at this point as well.

How so?

Interbreeding is clearly not a problem when you are considering the whole world - genetic diversity only becomes an issue when you seriously limit your gene pool (including through eugenics programs, ironically). And as for economic collapse, there is exactly no evidence that so-called 'undesirables' are a significant drain on the system. idiot politicians and rampant greed can crash an economy just fine all by themselves...
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Natural selection

will be an adhocracy in which all citizens will have equal rights to vote

But they won't have the right to citizenship (may get deported). Or right to reproduce. Or right to property (can't have someone who has been deported for being undesirable own property).

Interbreeding

Are you pure blood? Do you have your genetic lineage mapped back one thousand years or however many it takes?


You really might want to tone down this talk a bit. It's crossed well into verbotten direction by now.

No, purging people is not a solution to economic problems, just a convenient excuse that has historically been used during times of poverty by people who sought power. Xenophobia is easily abused for such purpose.

Finally, you really need to look at numbers. Chances are good you are the minority.
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Go away, Troll! You're not contributing anything constructive to this conversation.

We keep talking about interbreeding, but there won't be enough women to interbreed with. Solve the breeding problem, then solve the interbreeding problem.

We keep talking about interbreeding, but there won't be enough women to interbreed with. Solve the breeding problem, then solve the interbreeding problem.

I did answer that question: Selective immigration.

Natural selection

It's a cute trailer, but suggesting that this is a new phenomenon betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the way human society has functioned for the past few thousand years.

The lower/working classes have always reproduced at a far higher rate than the ruling elite - I'm pretty sure that holds true across history. Up until the late 20th century, access to healthcare coupled to obscene rates of infant mortality still played a role as a limiting factor, but even taking that into account, it is simply disingenious to suggest that the elite have ever outnumbered the poor and uneducated.

And this leads to an interesting point: if the uneducated masses have always outnumbered the intelligentsia, how then has humanity made steady scientific and social progress? The answer is that our political systems are inherently self-selecting - a form of social darwinism, if you will. Members of the poor uneducated masses rarely make it into politics (except during times of cultural revolution, when their fresh blood is needed). The rest of the time, the educated are the ones who succeed in business and politics, thus dictating the direction of the culture as a whole...

Near as I can tell, adversity is something that is needed in society. We need something to fight against or to overcome. Without it humans have no reason to try to adapt or change things to increase their odds of survival. And of course, too much of it also decreases our odds of survival. If the premice behind creating a nation is to remove elements of adversity (particularily ones that make you uncomfortable in the society you currently live in), you are ultimately creating a weakness (inability to adapt to adversity) which will lead back to the problems that you were trying to escape in the first place. This is why "evil" exists and why it must constantly be fought.

Further, I can't help but point out that it kinda sounds as though you have this design document for a massively multiplayer society simulation and all you need is the programmers to bring it to life. I'm sorry but I have my own worlds that I'd like to create and experiment with and you will probably find it to be the same with other programmers. It'd be best if you first experiment with something on a smaller scale to learn the fundamental skills and dynamics involved in this industry and be prepared to continuously learn new things as technology and paradigms evolve.

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Natural selection

It's a cute trailer, but suggesting that this is a new phenomenon betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the way human society has functioned for the past few thousand years.

The lower/working classes have always reproduced at a far higher rate than the ruling elite - I'm pretty sure that holds true across history. Up until the late 20th century, access to healthcare coupled to obscene rates of infant mortality still played a role as a limiting factor, but even taking that into account, it is simply disingenious to suggest that the elite have ever outnumbered the poor and uneducated.

And this leads to an interesting point: if the uneducated masses have always outnumbered the intelligentsia, how then has humanity made steady scientific and social progress? The answer is that our political systems are inherently self-selecting - a form of social darwinism, if you will. Members of the poor uneducated masses rarely make it into politics (except during times of cultural revolution, when their fresh blood is needed). The rest of the time, the educated are the ones who succeed in business and politics, thus dictating the direction of the culture as a whole...
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Our political system is not self-selecting and stupid or crazy people raise to power all the time. However, your point about the cooperate sector holds true and has indeed been the driving force behind human progress. However, the pool of intelligent and talented individuals is much smaller than you may realize, and yet the demand has never been so great. As the population continues to grow this demand will only increase and the division between the upper and lower classes will only continue to widen.