Loyalty and cowardace in America

Telastyn · 2011-11-15T01:35:47

My folks met at Penn State. They attended the football games and rooted for the team when I was young. As Miami came and went, as Notre Dame hired liars, as Pete Carroll paid his players then fled, as SMU died, as Nick Saban turned tail... for 61 years Joe Paterno ran a clean program. He focused on education and making his charges better people as a university should. He's helped thousands of students, and went above and beyond in support of the institution, despite better football offers; despite better monetary offers because teaching students to become better men was more important than either. 61 years of devotion. Countless decisions he had to make, many that were morally difficult. Losing out on prospects, losing in general because Penn State would not stoop where the competition stooped. 61 years of good decisions, but one mistake somehow invalidates that? I am disgusted by Penn State for firing Joe Paterno. I am embarrassed by the culture in America where dedicated employees become numbers in Peoplesoft and are fired to save shareholders a few cents. I am embarrassed by CEOs making mistakes and getting millions of dollars, corrupt investors literally stealing from the government getting bailouts because they lost that money... What employee will show any shred of dedication when even JoePa got canned? I am shamed by the flood op-ed stories by cowards who scream for blood due to one horrible decision a decade ago while ignoring the 6 decades of good decisions. How can we function as a country when we choose to crucify someone who has done so much good when so many have done so little?

SiCrane

11,840

November 14, 2011 03:12 AM

Was this coach guy the only one who got the axe? Did the rest of these creeps get fired too?

Of the two indicted, Tim Curley, the athletic directory, has been placed on administrative leave and Gary Schultz, the VP, resigned. Graham Spanier, the president, was also ousted. Michael McQuery, the witness for the shower incident, is on leave and is in protective custody after receiving numerous threats. Current speculation is that McQuery's job is safe because of whistle blower protection laws. Though, if I were him, I'd quit and move far, far away because if he stays, sooner or later someone's going to come after him with a baseball bat or worse.

ManOfThePast

97

November 14, 2011 03:13 AM

Number one, you shouldn't be shocked when a highly public major scandal ends a career, no matter how illustrious. That is just how shit works. Number two, the man failed to notify relevant authorities about sexual child abuse by his staff, or really do jack shit about it. The court system can establish his final guilt or not, but that's not "one mistake" and you do the school and the victims a massive disservice by saying that. Especially given that there were TEN incidents, not one.

So where is the line, huh? How many unreported child abuse instances would you like before the man got fired?

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SiCrane

11,840

November 14, 2011 03:18 AM

Also, the media has basically ignored all the good that comes from Penn State. That's what is the worst part.

No, I'm pretty sure the worst part involves pedophilia, or are you too busy shilling for your school that you forgot about that part?

ManOfThePast

97

November 14, 2011 04:12 AM

[quote name='ManOfThePast' timestamp='1321240405' post='4883622']
Also, the media has basically ignored all the good that comes from Penn State. That's what is the worst part.

No, I'm pretty sure the worst part involves pedophilia, or are you too busy shilling for your school that you forgot about that part?
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You sit there and spew words but you don't think for yourself. People are capable of holding two thoughts in their head at the same time.

http://www.rainn.org/ProudPSUforRAINN - Penn Staters raised over 300k for abuse victims since this happened
http://onwardstate.c...ht-in-the-dark/ - Over 10,000 people showed up to honor the victims on the Old Main lawn

We don't have to do this. None of us had anything to do with what happened. But we care.

You claim we are focused on Joe and not the victims. No, sir, that's you. We care plenty. And at the same time we also care about our school that we believe has good people and does good things. So stop being ignorant.

Promit

13,404

November 14, 2011 04:21 AM

You claim we are focused on Joe and not the victims. No, sir, it's you. We care plenty. And we also care about our school that we believe has good people and does things. So stop being ignorant.

The original post in this thread is very clearly focused on 'JoePa', and doesn't acknowledge the victims' existence. Nobody blamed any of the Penn Staters (amongst which is my brother), until they had a riot by morons who think football is more important than child abuse. And yeah, people and reporting always focus on the negative aspects. That's not unique to you or your school.

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DaBookshah

175

November 14, 2011 04:22 AM

And we also care about our school that we believe has good people and does things

Have to say, I really don't understand this stupid rabid dedication to a particular university. Maybe it's a US thing - I had a blast studying, great people, great place, but the university itself? Meh. Pretty much everyone acknowledges it's gone downhill since then. And I don't particularly care.

ManOfThePast

97

November 14, 2011 05:19 AM

[quote name='ManOfThePast' timestamp='1321243929' post='4883639']
You claim we are focused on Joe and not the victims. No, sir, it's you. We care plenty. And we also care about our school that we believe has good people and does things. So stop being ignorant.

The original post in this thread is very clearly focused on 'JoePa', and doesn't acknowledge the victims' existence. Nobody blamed any of the Penn Staters (amongst which is my brother), until they had a riot by morons who think football is more important than child abuse. And yeah, people and reporting always focus on the negative aspects. That's not unique to you or your school.
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I don't think the "riot" characterizes anything about Penn State other than there was a lot of discontent at the time.

ManOfThePast

97

November 14, 2011 05:59 AM

[quote name='ManOfThePast' timestamp='1321243929' post='4883639']
And we also care about our school that we believe has good people and does things

Have to say, I really don't understand this stupid rabid dedication to a particular university. Maybe it's a US thing - I had a blast studying, great people, great place, but the university itself? Meh. Pretty much everyone acknowledges it's gone downhill since then. And I don't particularly care.
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It's not stupid. It brings people together.

ChaosEngine

5,385

November 14, 2011 06:07 AM

[quote name='SiCrane' timestamp='1321240707' post='4883625']
[quote name='ManOfThePast' timestamp='1321240405' post='4883622']
Also, the media has basically ignored all the good that comes from Penn State. That's what is the worst part.

No, I'm pretty sure the worst part involves pedophilia, or are you too busy shilling for your school that you forgot about that part?
[/quote]

You sit there and spew words but you don't think for yourself. People are capable of holding two thoughts in their head at the same time.

http://www.rainn.org/ProudPSUforRAINN - Penn Staters raised over 300k for abuse victims since this happened
http://onwardstate.c...ht-in-the-dark/ - Over 10,000 people showed up to honor the victims on the Old Main lawn

We don't have to do this. None of us had anything to do with what happened. But we care.

You claim we are focused on Joe and not the victims. No, sir, that's you. We care plenty. And at the same time we also care about our school that we believe has good people and does good things. So stop being ignorant.
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You know what would have been better than raising money or showing up in support? Stopping the child abuse in the first place.

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DaBookshah

175

November 14, 2011 06:08 AM

[quote name='Promit' timestamp='1321244483' post='4883642']
[quote name='ManOfThePast' timestamp='1321243929' post='4883639']
You claim we are focused on Joe and not the victims. No, sir, it's you. We care plenty. And we also care about our school that we believe has good people and does things. So stop being ignorant.

The original post in this thread is very clearly focused on 'JoePa', and doesn't acknowledge the victims' existence. Nobody blamed any of the Penn Staters (amongst which is my brother), until they had a riot by morons who think football is more important than child abuse. And yeah, people and reporting always focus on the negative aspects. That's not unique to you or your school.
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I don't think the "riot" characterizes anything about Penn State other than there was a lot of discontent at the time.
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Nice edit, I preferred the trolltastic version you had before. Something about "We can all sympathise (with the rioters)". Uh-huh, sure.

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