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After all, the birth certificate could be forged! /sarcasm

Sarcasm? There are articles with more than decent evidence that the certificate was doctored.
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Come on, think about it. Obama is the false prophet that Jesus warned us about. He's also the dark prince, that Nostradamus mentioned in his prophecies, would bring about the end of the age of Pisces, by setting the world ablaze. See for yourself in several believable articles. It was predicted that the Vatican will get nuked, an obvious move from Obama because of his muslim heritage. Still not convinced? Have you read Harry Potter? In this series, written by NWO shill, R.K.Rowling, satanic and pagan symbols and legends were used, connecting them cleverly to the current world events. Who killed Dumbledore (=God)? The half-blood prince (=Obama) of course! I have no doubt, that in the final chapter, Rowling will tell us that Snape was really a good guy, while promoting sex before marriage! It's so fucking obvious, but recent polls show that only about 40% of americans are beginning to open their eyes to the real problem.

In this most elaborate scheme, would they really risk putting a guy with false credentials right on the top, to be scrutinized by everyone? Not even the eye-on-the-pyramid guys would be that dumb.

It's all irrelevant pandering. Obama's mother was incontrovertibly a US citizen for her entire life. Being born to her makes Obama a US citizen automatically no matter what, unless he later renounced his citizenship (which he never did, to my knowledge). Plus, he released his certificate of live birth right away (and that's actually longer than the long form certificate).

Now that the long form certificate is out, people are already calling it a forgery because of mistakes that now super-conspirator would make (like listing African as a race for his father). But it was always true that Obama could have released a forged certificate at any time, no matter what other factors were at play. Since that's the case, and they clearly aren't shy about crying forgery now, birthers should have been more up front about the fact that nothing will ever satisfy them, instead of demanding this or that thing as they refuse the evidence that came before.

By releasing it now, Obama has shrewdly invalidated future birther claims (they probably didn't need additional invalidation, but since the spike in people believing it since Trump started stumping on it it might have been worth a round 2). He's also given Trump a shot in the arm, which will let him affect the GOP platform more and for longer. And he's not pushing it towards independent voters, that's for sure.

The need for the conspiracy in the minds of the birthers is, in my opinion, a way to square their faith in the institution of government with their constant critiques of its ineffectiveness. They think that policies in general are failures, either ideologically (increasing taxes on the rich will cause America to explode!) or empirically (we cut taxes on the rich, and that didn't create very many jobs! Oh no!). And they rail against policy round the clock, goaded by the media and politicains on "their side".

But they still have faith in the government, which is why they work to elect their chosen representatives. To keep themselves going, they form an image of a government that is terrifyingly effective-- in this case, to the point of perpetrating a massive, decades-long fraud which despite their resistence has worked out exactly as the conspirators intended.

I was listening to the radio and there are a few issues I heard.

1.) African was not a race they put on birth certificates at the time.
2.) He went to school in Indonesia and there, you apparently have to be a citizen and can't be a dual citizen to enroll in school.
3.) I dont know where to find the document they released but the version I saw, all the letters had white borders (meaning they did a photoshop job and did not remove all the white to be alpha. So all the letters have white borders.

4.) Donald Trump, the man behind this, is a false republican who we all know gave tons of money to dems. So he is trying to spin the vote so Obama wins. Trump has never been a republican. And now Obama releases this to look like a good guy, when he should look like a bad guy for hiding it so long. .... oh wait because now he can use it for running again.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=72656

(...) he should look like a bad guy for hiding it so long. ....

I think your post is probably a joke, but in the off chance it's not this bit caught my attention. Why should this be seen as a bad thing? Whether or not you happen to be the president, you still have certain privacy rights. He did enough to prove that he was eligible to run for president at the time; why would he "owe" this to the general public as well? Would you be willing to post your birth certificate on the internet when you weren't legally required to do so?

Sad...I checked a youtube page belonging to a well known birther (ppsimmons) on youtube. It's no change...LOL. They all still deny BHO has any legitimacy and that ppsimmons guy is still making money off all the donations he gets from all those stupid people.

clearly the document put forth this week is another grossly manipulated doc.

The real question is why did he/they put forth a document which would easily be detected as a fake? The answer to this is likley: THEY DONT CARE WHAT WE KNOW NOW. Something quite big is about to happen - likely in the US, and it wont matter if he was born? on mars.

All Christians stand by - I beleive our day about to arrive shortly.

Those left behind will find out who bho really is, but it's too late!

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LOL. The above comment was pulled from comments to this video:

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I find it amazing.

I think your post is probably a joke, but in the off chance it's not this bit caught my attention.

He's not joking...

It looks like we have quite a few birthers on these forums and it's sickening. They want to delegitimize him because they can't stand seeing a BLACK MAN in the white house RUNNING things. LOL

It scares them to death.

He's been pres for four years and :

1. The world hasn't ended.
2. The United States hasn't collapsed.
3. Christians haven't beamed up into outer space.

But no doubt they will continue on for the next four years (yeah he's getting reelected) because their real issue is race.

I voted for him (this was before I really started to study history and politics) your dumb for saying its cuz hes black.

2.) I posted why people are claiming it. I don't know the facts, but it definitely is suspicious. I never saw that youtube video I heard it from a radio interview with webster tarpley. But furthermore ANY american would show they are American. Yes Bush sealed records of stuff as well. But a simple birth certificate, I would have green lighted that the minute it showed up.

It looks like we have quite a few birthers on these forums and it's sickening. They want to delegitimize him because they can't stand seeing a BLACK MAN in the white house RUNNING things. LOL

You're speaking in code to fellow birthers here of course, trying to distance oneself from the hard core fifth column birthers cells of GameDev. "Black man running LOL" . Really? These rascist birther shenanigans will soon come to an end!

They want to delegitimize him because they can't stand seeing a BLACK MAN in the white house RUNNING things. LOL

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Because now unfounded assertions are definitely the way to combat other unfounded assertions, I guess? That Obama "seems foreign" is of course related to the "birther" issue, but if Obama obviously had obviously-American parents I'm sure there would be some other equally implausible and unfalsifiable challenge to his legitimacy. The "foreignness" is what makes his status as a natural-born citizen an easy target, but not the reason he's being targeted in the first place. Of course, some people are obviously targeting him because of his race, but most people are targeting him simply because he's "liberal;" I claim this would happen regardless of his race.

Certainly the "birther" issue stems from a pre-existing dislike of Obama, i.e. no one who actually likes Obama has changed their opinion solely because of the "evidence" that he wasn't born in the United States, but saying that it's only because of his race is just as implausible as the "birther" claims in the first place.

But furthermore ANY american would show they are American. Yes Bush sealed records of stuff as well. But a simple birth certificate, I would have green lighted that the minute it showed up.
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OK. Could you please scan and post your birth certificate here for us, then?

I find it kind of funny how a US senator like McCain or Obama could even be disallowed from running for President. I think the rules might need to changed since they're obviously too confusing for most people and too hard to enforce.