We pride ourself in thinking we are free and can do whatever we want. Everyone should be so lucky. But how free are we really?

We aren't so free as to be able to mess around with police officers. I mean, in fact we are free, but as reported, it's only a waste of precious police time.




Dose of reality for the OP.

These guys are there to deal with (among others) criminals and have been granted special rights to be able to do so effectively. They especially aren't allowed to let get suspects (as you playfully made yourself one) away, and they are trained (and bound) to use reasonable force to ensure public safety.

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We pride ourself in thinking we are free and can do whatever we want. Everyone should be so lucky. But how free are we really?

We aren't so free as to be able to mess around with police officers. I mean, in fact we are free, but as reported, it's only a waste of precious police time.




Dose of reality for the OP.

These guys are there to deal with (among others) criminals and have been granted special rights to be able to do so effectively. They especially aren't allowed to let get suspects (as you playfully made yourself one) away, and they are trained (and bound) to use reasonable force to ensure public safety.
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It amazes me how blindly people are willing to accept authority. I understand the reason for having and enforcing laws. Otherwise people will abuse the system and deviate from established social values. But what is the root cause for people behaving in this manner? Fixing root causes is the only way to get rid of problems for good. Laws are just a way to patch the problems. They will never actually solve anything. But I digress. My point was that people seem to just shrug this off as something normal. I'm not saying the officer was wrong to suspect he was a criminal. It's natural for him to do so since most people actually are. But isn't this an alarming development? What's next, armed military in the streets? Since nothing is being done to address the root causes (just patching up the problems) it can only get worse.

Well, you are free to grow wings and fly. Wait, no...
You are free to slaughter women, wait, maybe others will have a word about it.....
You are free to piss in someone's food. Wait, probably the subject will [color="#ff0000"]PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE


Seriously, I'm surprised how idiots people are. I guess because you live in your little bubbles and Barbie Lands and everybody licks your asses and you've probably never heard that every single thing has its prize and its return.You have to decide what's profitable (I'm not talking about money here, but I guess the idiots will misunderstand it anyway)


[size="6"]GROW THE FUCK UP! [size="1"](as it has been advised several times)

I dont think what happened was alarming at all, at the sight of the cops the OP decided to run for whatever reasons he had at the time. I would find it more alarming if the police officer DIDNT chase him, if your not doing anything wrong then you shouldn't have to worry about police presence. I get pulled over occasionally from time to time for no reason, of course its annoying, but I know by pulling me and X number of people over the police have the oppurtunity to apprehend someone who shouldn't really be in the streets, and if for them to carry out that task it involves me getting stopped then so be it, and in fact I suggest they pull me over some more that way they can catch even more culprits and make my community that much better.

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We pride ourself in thinking we are free and can do whatever we want. Everyone should be so lucky. But how free are we really?

We aren't so free as to be able to mess around with police officers. I mean, in fact we are free, but as reported, it's only a waste of precious police time.




Dose of reality for the OP.

These guys are there to deal with (among others) criminals and have been granted special rights to be able to do so effectively. They especially aren't allowed to let get suspects (as you playfully made yourself one) away, and they are trained (and bound) to use reasonable force to ensure public safety.
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It amazes me how blindly people are willing to accept authority. I understand the reason for having and enforcing laws. Otherwise people will abuse the system and deviate from established social values. But what is the root cause for people behaving in this manner? Fixing root causes is the only way to get rid of problems for good. Laws are just a way to patch the problems. They will never actually solve anything. But I digress. My point was that people seem to just shrug this off as something normal. I'm not saying the officer was wrong to suspect he was a criminal. It's natural for him to do so since most people actually are. But isn't this an alarming development? What's next, armed military in the streets? Since nothing is being done to address the root causes (just patching up the problems) it can only get worse.
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How do you go from 'reasonable response used to apprehend a suspect' to 'armed military in the streets'? Martial law is a last-resort to ensure public safety (you can argue whether it really does or not, but it's designed to do just that). Law enforcement officers, unlike the military, aren't trained to use violence as a first resort to enforce the law - they are trained to use whatever force is necessary to apprehend suspects, stop a crime from being committed and so on. Military officers are trained to use force to destroy and subdue enemy combatants. That you didn't make this distinction is troubling, more so than your unproven assertions. The OP was clearly out of line - basically pulling what amounted to a prank on the officer. I mean, damn.
Also, being an alarmist because one jerk got what he deserved is well...let's just call it unnecessary.

Hehe, just wow. None of you have actually grasped what i'm trying to say here. You are just nitpicking my words and avoiding my point. As I really don't know how to put it anymore bluntly than I have already done, I won't go on. Write me off as a wacky conspiracy theorist and enjoy your false security while it lasts.

Seriously, I'm surprised how idiots people are. I guess because you live in your little bubbles and Barbie Lands and everybody licks your asses and you've probably never heard that every single thing has its prize and its return.You have to decide what's profitable (I'm not talking about money here, but I guess the idiots will misunderstand it anyway)


[size="6"]GROW THE FUCK UP! [size="1"](as it has been advised several times)

So... at what point will you stand up and say that your rights have been violated? Will it be when someone knocks on your door and searches your house for material that might indicate that you disagree with what the government is doing? It would be too late then because you can bet a law was passed to make it ok. And besides, it's in everyone's best interest to maintain stability. That's the way you want to live, right? I'm going to guess that if you saw something you thought in your heart was wrong you might try to change it. That's all that the OP is doing. It might seem petty in comparison to many issues in the world, but he figures it is the right thing to do and there is no legal reason for him not to pursue this.

How do you go from 'reasonable response used to apprehend a suspect' to 'armed military in the streets'?

Some of us come from a generation where they tried to teach us to watch out for possible erosion of personal freedoms. It was in part a fear of western fascism sort of thing but also it was pointed out how the Japanese internment camps were a product of fear after Pearl Harbour was attacked. We were basically told, "Don't let this sort of thing happen again." I'm sure this lesson was wiped out of a lot of people's minds on 9/11 but others held on to it. It may seem a bit of a silly thing to worry about but when you consider the violation of personal freedoms that are occurring every day at airports due to the new security arrangements, an argument could be made that we are already repeating history.

Personally, I don't think the OP has a leg to stand on and that the cop approached the situation appropriately. However, if the OP's intentions are genuinely as he says, then I can understand and support his purpose.

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[quote name='DarkZoulz' timestamp='1298462347' post='4777912']
We pride ourself in thinking we are free and can do whatever we want. Everyone should be so lucky. But how free are we really?

We aren't so free as to be able to mess around with police officers. I mean, in fact we are free, but as reported, it's only a waste of precious police time.




Dose of reality for the OP.

These guys are there to deal with (among others) criminals and have been granted special rights to be able to do so effectively. They especially aren't allowed to let get suspects (as you playfully made yourself one) away, and they are trained (and bound) to use reasonable force to ensure public safety.
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It amazes me how blindly people are willing to accept authority. I understand the reason for having and enforcing laws. Otherwise people will abuse the system and deviate from established social values. But what is the root cause for people behaving in this manner? Fixing root causes is the only way to get rid of problems for good. Laws are just a way to patch the problems. They will never actually solve anything. But I digress. My point was that people seem to just shrug this off as something normal. I'm not saying the officer was wrong to suspect he was a criminal. It's natural for him to do so since most people actually are. But isn't this an alarming development? What's next, armed military in the streets? Since nothing is being done to address the root causes (just patching up the problems) it can only get worse.
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How do you go from 'reasonable response used to apprehend a suspect' to 'armed military in the streets'? Martial law is a last-resort to ensure public safety (you can argue whether it really does or not, but it's designed to do just that). Law enforcement officers, unlike the military, aren't trained to use violence as a first resort to enforce the law - they are trained to use whatever force is necessary to apprehend suspects, stop a crime from being committed and so on. Military officers are trained to use force to destroy and subdue enemy combatants. That you didn't make this distinction is troubling, more so than your unproven assertions. The OP was clearly out of line - basically pulling what amounted to a prank on the officer. I mean, damn.
Also, being an alarmist because one jerk got what he deserved is well...let's just call it unnecessary.
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You think punching someone in the face is reasonable behavior for suspecting he is a criminal? If I punched you in the face because I thought you where a criminal, would it be ok? Why is it reasonable if a police officer does it? For me, reasonable would be to never suspect anyone of being any kind of criminal. Using military was perhaps a bit extreme, but my point is: If punching someone in the face for believing that person is a criminal is 'reasonable' now. Why is it so hard to believe that keeping armed military in the cities to help law enforcement wouldn't be deemed 'reasonable' in the future?

Just to clarify yet again, I'm not blaming the cop for anything.

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[quote name='DarkZoulz' timestamp='1298480746' post='4778022']
[quote name='demonkoryu' timestamp='1298467122' post='4777934']
[quote name='DarkZoulz' timestamp='1298462347' post='4777912']
We pride ourself in thinking we are free and can do whatever we want. Everyone should be so lucky. But how free are we really?

We aren't so free as to be able to mess around with police officers. I mean, in fact we are free, but as reported, it's only a waste of precious police time.




Dose of reality for the OP.

These guys are there to deal with (among others) criminals and have been granted special rights to be able to do so effectively. They especially aren't allowed to let get suspects (as you playfully made yourself one) away, and they are trained (and bound) to use reasonable force to ensure public safety.
[/quote]
It amazes me how blindly people are willing to accept authority. I understand the reason for having and enforcing laws. Otherwise people will abuse the system and deviate from established social values. But what is the root cause for people behaving in this manner? Fixing root causes is the only way to get rid of problems for good. Laws are just a way to patch the problems. They will never actually solve anything. But I digress. My point was that people seem to just shrug this off as something normal. I'm not saying the officer was wrong to suspect he was a criminal. It's natural for him to do so since most people actually are. But isn't this an alarming development? What's next, armed military in the streets? Since nothing is being done to address the root causes (just patching up the problems) it can only get worse.
[/quote]

How do you go from 'reasonable response used to apprehend a suspect' to 'armed military in the streets'? Martial law is a last-resort to ensure public safety (you can argue whether it really does or not, but it's designed to do just that). Law enforcement officers, unlike the military, aren't trained to use violence as a first resort to enforce the law - they are trained to use whatever force is necessary to apprehend suspects, stop a crime from being committed and so on. Military officers are trained to use force to destroy and subdue enemy combatants. That you didn't make this distinction is troubling, more so than your unproven assertions. The OP was clearly out of line - basically pulling what amounted to a prank on the officer. I mean, damn.
Also, being an alarmist because one jerk got what he deserved is well...let's just call it unnecessary.
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You think punching someone in the face is reasonable behavior for suspecting he is a criminal? If I punched you in the face because I thought you where a criminal, would it be ok? Why is it reasonable if a police officer does it? For me, reasonable would be to never suspect anyone of being any kind of criminal. Using military was perhaps a bit extreme, but my point is: If punching someone in the face for believing that person is a criminal is 'reasonable' now. Why is it so hard to believe that keeping armed military in the cities to help law enforcement wouldn't be deemed 'reasonable' in the future?

Just to clarify yet again, I'm not blaming the cop for anything.
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Of course punching someone in the face in this context is unreasonable so I would agree with you that you have a point, but honestly police officers get enough of a bad rep sometimes, AND IN THIS CONTEXT even though I agree that it wasn't necessary for any fist to start swining. The OP ran from the police officer which forced him to take chase and tried to close a door behind him, now the officer trying to make sure the door doesnt close he sticks his hand in there,

now whether it was actually a punch or him trying to reach in and making accidental contact with the face we will never know, cause I have witnessed first hand PLENTY of times when my own personal friends stretch the story to make the officer/ security guard look wrong, even tho I was physically there and it wasn't even like how they described.

and regardless of that, with the adreniline running and the officer in chase of course the culprit will get roughed up regardless its not like the officer is going to gently lift the culprit into a bed of feathers, he even called back and apologized, which shows hes not a bad guy, cause honestly if someone would of forced me to take chase just for sh!t and giggles, the last thing on my mind would be apoligizing.

Now if the story was that the OP was sitting minding his own business and out of nowhere an officer comes and gives him a quick jab in the face, I would be appauled by everything just like you.

You think punching someone in the face is reasonable behavior for suspecting he is a criminal? If I punched you in the face because I thought you where a criminal, would it be ok? Why is it reasonable if a police officer does it? For me, reasonable would be to never suspect anyone of being any kind of criminal. Using military was perhaps a bit extreme, but my point is: If punching someone in the face for believing that person is a criminal is 'reasonable' now. Why is it so hard to believe that keeping armed military in the cities to help law enforcement wouldn't be deemed 'reasonable' in the future?

Just to clarify yet again, I'm not blaming the cop for anything.

When the suspect in question is attempting to force a locking door closed between them, yes.

We are NOT talking about an officer who walked up on some completely random person who was minding their own business, said "Surprise!" and popped him one in the jaw. We are also not talking about an officer randomly picking someone out and searching them, or picking a house at random and kicking in the front door. We are talking about police behavior that has been accepted practice for hundreds of years.