Quote:Original post by way2lazy2care
Why is it amazing that I am able to set aside my religious or moral beliefs to put what I feel is the most representative position to the founding documents of the government on the table?
I hold my position for the same reason I hold the position that everyoen should be able to follow whatever religion they want despite me being a catholic. |
You equate 'pursuit of happiness' with 'pursuit for decent and complete healthcare'.
Happiness!=Health Care...you're not necessarily happy if you've got enough insuline or don't suffer from lauchaemia or malnutrition. If you want to be pedantic about it, IMO "pursuit of happiness" starts when you got all your vital needs taken care of, and of course HEALTH is THE most vital need. You keep bringing up specifically vague terms as "charity" and "happiness" to dodge the fact that in Human Rights Decleration, and in your Constitution, those terms are expanded signigicantly, and only if one has interests in the contrary will so easily dismiss them with "ah well, shit happens(to other people)".
I don't know how it is; I guess that a working, lower-class mother of, say, 2-3 kids, should be able to miracously get out of bed at 6, go work for 12+ hours, then get home and have the energy to clean the house, help the kids with the homework and then cook some healthy dinner for the kids, so they don't get poisoned constantly with junk food. But hey, it's not THAT fucking bad, right? Actually, many of them do it anyway at some degree, although I am at a loss
how exactly.
So basically, and without much fancy smoothtalking, some people are saying, "this is life, a starving kid here, a sick kid there, an undereducated one some blocks away, that will never change, that's how it goes, now suck it up and let me watch SuperBowl in one of my 5 HDTVs, I won't give up 3 of them so some toddlers can go to the hospital more often".
You can disguise it however you want with 250 charts of the market growth or some other shit that 99% of the population doesn't even have time to inform itself about(they're too busy breaking their backs to make the market work), but that's how it is basically, at least according to my own (naive) position(but unless I'm not mistaken, I
am still a full-fledged citizen, not in USA of course, but things are shitty all over).
From where I stand, you are the one confusing morals and religion(where
that came from anyway?) with this issue, with what keep bringing "charity" into the table, as if it's relevant. It's not charity. It's not about you, personally, either. It's justice. You work 8-12+ hours, you deserve decent quality of life. From where I stand, at least.
And don't tell me the "working class in USA is not THAT bad"...I see the working class in my country when I ride the bus every day, and I doubt yours is much better either...if I'm not mistaken you've got a larger percent of homeless people than we do. Unless of course all these are lies, and more robust health care for the poor is not even needed, in which case I guess Obama&Co just do it because they have nothing better to pass their time with.
Anyway, it's politics, and the most vulgar face of it, so it's expected: They're the opposing party, the oppose the goverment. Even if they agree, they must vote against it most of the time. What baffles me is people like way2lazy2care(no offense, seriously), who admit that the law wouldnt' affect them anyway, but oppose a small increase in taxes for a (let's admit it) a small increase in healthcare quality for the less fortunate just for the...principle of it? That I don't get, seriously.
[Edited by - mikeman on December 18, 2010 2:30:01 PM]
