I feel an epic win coming up...

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I think you missed my point. The fact that the pros have access to special officiating equipment will not change the way amateurs play the game. Evidence of that can be found thousands of times over every day across the USA. Tennis, baseball, basketball, gridiron football -- the pros use special officiating equipment and amateurs don't but they continue playing anyway. And when it comes to gridiron football, the rules change as the level of expertise increases. The rules for high school football are different from the rules for college football are different from the rules for pro football. The basic rules remain the same, but different rules about fumbles and passes and when a player is down and how to resolve tie games at the various levels of play hasn't stopped people at the lowest levels of play from playing.

No I fully understand your point and disagree with it. I feel there is no need for GLT in the game and there is no need to separate the amateurs and professionals either with this technology or rules.

Out of interest what happens when a amateur team plays a professional, which rules and technology is used?

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I feel an epic win coming up...

So can I. Go Brazil :)

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I feel an epic win coming up...

And it appears you were right!

I missed the game (was on the train back from Liverpool to Brighton at the time) but my god! o.O

So, there goes my final prediction, heh

Props to the Dutch for their unexpected win!

I found it interesting to see how poorly the Brazilians responded after the equalizer. They totally lost their composure. The refs managed the game well but they missed von Bommel's repeated fouls on Dani Alves.

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No I fully understand your point and disagree with it. I feel there is no need for GLT in the game and there is no need to separate the amateurs and professionals either with this technology or rules.

The need for GLT in the game was made obvious by the numerous bad calls in this World Cup. We wouldn't be discussing the issue if the need wasn't obvious. I'm not arguing that there is a need to separate amateurs and pros. I'm arguing that the separation that GLT would bring is negligible and would not disrupt play down the line from the pros.

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Out of interest what happens when a amateur team plays a professional, which rules and technology is used?

As far as gridiron football goes, amateur teams don't play professional teams. That would be a slaughter - literally. With baseball or basketball, such games would be promotional or charity events without the same competitive spirit found in games that counted.

I knew brasil wasn't playing good this year. Netherlands definitely should have won by 3-4 more goals, but I think they were exhausted and overly careful.

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Quote: Original post by LessBread
I found it interesting to see how poorly the Brazilians responded after the equalizer. They totally lost their composure.

Yeah, that came totally unexpected. And what the hell went on in Felipe Melo's head?

Quote: The refs managed the game well but they missed von Bommel's repeated fouls on Dani Alves.

He plays for Bayern Munich but that doesn't make van Bommel a German nobleman. ;)

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Quote: Original post by dmail
Out of interest what happens when a amateur team plays a professional, which rules and technology is used?

As far as gridiron football goes, amateur teams don't play professional teams. That would be a slaughter - literally. With baseball or basketball, such games would be promotional or charity events without the same competitive spirit found in games that counted.

I think what dmail is driving at here is that in England its not unheard of for semi-professional teams from the lower leagues making it to stages in the FA Cup where they would play a Championship or even Premier League team.

I guess it depends on who pays for the tech to be installed and who pays for the extra staff to run it; with even Premier League teams under mountains of debt I'm not sure any one club would be keen to pay for the equiment themselves.

Nice to see the Netherlands staying in the tournament. A Netherlands - Germany final would be great :D

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A Netherlands - Germany final would be great :D

As I understand it for the Germans that would be the ultimate grudge match..?

and from an effort point of view one I'd really like to see!
Lets hope they can beat Argentina tomorrow then...

Congratulations Holland. I certainly called that one wrong although Brazil were disappointing in the second, gifting a goal and then having afters which got Melo sent off.

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Quote: Original post by dmail
No I fully understand your point and disagree with it. I feel there is no need for GLT in the game and there is no need to separate the amateurs and professionals either with this technology or rules.

The need for GLT in the game was made obvious by the numerous bad calls in this World Cup. We wouldn't be discussing the issue if the need wasn't obvious.

I would not say it was obvious, There were mistakes made by the officials like there is every week at every level. If there is a need to do something about it then as already mentioned in this thread goal line officials are an answer which can be used at every level.

Quote: I'm not arguing that there is a need to separate amateurs and pros. I'm arguing that the separation that GLT would bring is negligible and would not disrupt play down the line from the pros.

But you are trying to separate the levels that play the game, there is no way on earth that every ground even in England could have this technology installed. My argument is that any separation is bad and unneeded.

Anyway this is going round and round, but I must say you are the first person I have had this conversation with that has not come round to my way of thinking. Yet you do not give an convincing arguments of why it should be used.