ACORN worker to FOX: LOL, trolled.

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ACORN worker to FOX: LOL, trolled.

The lady from that one video is crazy. Fox is making way too big of a deal about her crazy personal stories, as that doesn't really reflect ACORN's operations. Anyone seen Glenn Beck cover that video? He's on the verge of tears :

But the other videos? Pretty incriminating, and indicative of operations in some of the bigger cities. ACORN is trying to say they are misleading and doctored, but just watch the videos; it's quite apparent that they were enabling and even encouraging fraudulent behavior.

ACORN is yet another example of corruption in our political system.

Good thing the census bureau has discontinued their partnership with ACORN, and the senate just voted overwhelmingly to stop funding them (Now for the House to do the same).

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Quote: You've probably figured out that the right wing has it in for ACORN (if not click here).

Yep, indeed. The important question is whether they've got good reason to want ACORN shut down.

Yes, and their reasons to date have never been honest. Even in your inexplicable "let's seriously look at these amateur entrapment videos see what pans out" stance, you seem aware that previous accusations were insubstantial. Why waste your time with the latest accusation from the same dishonest sources? Did you care one lick about ACORN before the conservative smear machine targeted it? Do you recognize a vendetta when you see one?

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Quote: ACORN organizes poor people, poor people of color usually, and it's effective.

Is it? How effective? Does it organize them in good ways, like helping to make sure they're represented and helping them build lives and careers, or does it organize them in bad ways, like helping them cheat the system to get extra benefits or to set up child prostitution rings? "Organized" isn't necessarily good - just look at the Mafia.

I thought you were smarter than this. Given your interest in ACORN, you should know what they organize people for, and if you don't know, then it's easy enough to look up yourself. All you're doing here is a favor for the vendetta crowd by needlessly repeating their wild and baseless allegation. Yes, baseless. Even if that one employee was genuinely willing to help with a child prostitution ring (a laughable proposition in itself), there is no evidence that ACORN as an organization would endorse, approve, fund, assist, or even not report it to the police. (Crom, I feel dirty just typing these fucking insane allegations in any context)

Quote: and if that really is what she was doing, then ACORN have a problem in that their staff need to be better trained on how to deal with situations like this, because "playing along" is not handling it well.

Very true.

Quote: How many offices would need to be shown to have a problem before you'd accept it as an institutional flaw in ACORN itself?

How many times do you have to swallow conservative lies which make you deathly ill before you can recognize the signs that you're being lied to?

Score one for the reality-creating community.
"when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out."

[Edited by - BerwynIrish on September 16, 2009 11:31:02 AM]

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But the other videos? Pretty incriminating, and indicative of operations in some of the bigger cities. ACORN is trying to say they are misleading and doctored, but just watch the videos; it's quite apparent that they were enabling and even encouraging fraudulent behavior.

I'm not entirely dismissing the videos but at the same time it really wouldn't surprise me if fox news just pestered them for hours on end until they started humoring them and edited out the rest.

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Anyone seen Glenn Beck cover that video? He's on the verge of tears :

Isn't that his default state?

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ACORN organizes poor people, poor people of color usually, and it's effective. That makes it a priority target for the right wing.

Do conservatives also want to take grandma's medicine to feed their army of robots?

The hell are you talking about? Are you merely expressing skepticism about LB's claim?

and questioning his motivations for saying it.

LessBread: What did you mean by "priority target"? Target for what? Gift baskets and puppy-grams?

My motivations? The truth. That's the truth. They've targeted it for destruction. The right isn't targeting ACORN because it's criminal. They target it because it does an effective job registering poor people and people of color to vote. It's a threat to their power and they've been after ACORN for a long time now. They used to attack it for voter fraud (really voter registration fraud), neglecting the fact that when it comes to voter registration fraud the criminals work for Republicans [1], [2], [3]. If anything Republicans stir up a fuss about ACORN to divert attention away from their own corruption [4], [5], [6]. Moreover, they target it because it fits their longstanding strategy of scaring white people into fearing that their tax dollars are being wasted on undeserving black and brown people.

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My motivations? The truth. That's the truth. They've targeted it for destruction. The right isn't targeting ACORN because it's criminal. They target it because it does an effective job registering poor people and people of color to vote. It's a threat to their power and they've been after ACORN for a long time now. They used to attack it for voter fraud (really voter registration fraud), neglecting the fact that when it comes to voter registration fraud the criminals work for Republicans [1], [2], [3]. If anything Republicans stir up a fuss about ACORN to divert attention away from their own corruption [4], [5], [6]. Moreover, they target it because it fits their longstanding strategy of scaring white people into fearing that their tax dollars are being wasted on undeserving black and brown people.

I truly despise racism. Not only is it a petty and base vice founded on fear and ignorance but it is the back bone of so much idiocy and the worlds most effective wedge issue.(Perhaps second to religion, perhaps not).

I have no doubt that ACORN is corrupt and regularly commits illegal acts. I have no doubt that the operating officers of ACORN are well intentioned. I have no doubt that republican versions of ACORN are guilty of the same crimes and same intentions.


Jimmy Carter just stated:

Quote: "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American."

I admire Carter in some ways because he's championed some important issues regarding non-militarism and several civil liberties, but he's quite possibly going senile.

Were Obama as white as driven snow democrats and republicans would still be in there fighting for their given special interests. Were ACORN predominantly white organizers dealing with predominantly white citizens republicans would still do everything they can to discredit and defund them. AARP anyone?

So if you don't support strengthening the government/corporate health care cartel you're a racist. Just thought you should know.

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Jimmy Carter just stated:

Quote: "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American."

I admire Carter in some ways because he's championed some important issues regarding non-militarism and several civil liberties, but he's quite possibly going senile.

Were Obama as white as driven snow democrats and republicans would still be in there fighting for their given special interests. Were ACORN predominantly white organizers dealing with predominantly white citizens republicans would still do everything they can to discredit and defund them. AARP anyone?

Personally I have no doubt that most of the idiotic screaming going on now is motivated by racism, The real question is if its hurting the democrats are republicans more.

I could be over estimated the average intelligence of Americans but if its a calculated move rather than blind hatred why dose it seem like it can't possibly be good for the right in the long run.

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ACORN organizes poor people, poor people of color usually, and it's effective. That makes it a priority target for the right wing.

Do conservatives also want to take grandma's medicine to feed their army of robots?

The hell are you talking about? Are you merely expressing skepticism about LB's claim?

and questioning his motivations for saying it.

LessBread: What did you mean by "priority target"? Target for what? Gift baskets and puppy-grams?

My motivations? The truth. That's the truth. They've targeted it for destruction. The right isn't targeting ACORN because it's criminal. They target it because it does an effective job registering poor people and people of color to vote. It's a threat to their power and they've been after ACORN for a long time now. They used to attack it for voter fraud (really voter registration fraud), neglecting the fact that when it comes to voter registration fraud the criminals work for Republicans [1], [2], [3]. If anything Republicans stir up a fuss about ACORN to divert attention away from their own corruption [4], [5], [6]. Moreover, they target it because it fits their longstanding strategy of scaring white people into fearing that their tax dollars are being wasted on undeserving black and brown people.

So it's Republicans now. Before it was right-wingers. So then, are you asserting that Republicans, as a group, are racists? Are you asserting that conservatives, as a whole, are racists? It's right-wingers, or Republicans, or whatever, who are targeting ACORN specifically because they help minorities, so what else would you call it? Would you say that racism is a defining attribute of conservatism and being a Republican?