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The Definition: Intelligence, Consciousness, Self-Awareness, Emotions, Life...

Started by February 13, 2009 02:22 AM
26 comments, last by jbadams 15 years, 9 months ago
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Main Entry:
use·ful Listen to the pronunciation of useful
Pronunciation:
\ˈyüs-fəl\
Function:
adjective
Date:
1595

1: capable of being put to use ; especially : serviceable for an end or purpose <useful tools>
2: of a valuable or productive kind <do something useful with your life>


By that definition and the context of these forums, your posts are not useful. If I am wrong, please explain:

1) How does this help science understand the mind. Specifically, how does this affect either the interpretation of neuro-biological or cognitive neuroscience experimental results.

2) In what way does it propose new testable hypotheses. If it does, what specifically are those testable hypotheses.

3) In what manner does this affect artificial intelligence research. What new algorithms does is present and how are those algorithms useful.

If you cannot concretely answer any one of those questions then I posit that your post has no "usefulness" in the context of these forums: forums dedicated to the development of computational neuroscience focusing on it's use in Video Games.

All you've done is present a rather poorly constructed philosophical treatise on the meaning of the words: mind, intelligence, etc. A treatise in which I can discern no practical usefulness with regards to science & programming.

-me

[Edited by - Palidine on February 16, 2009 6:11:28 PM]
Oh god, another "purple 4th dimension" topic.
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Palidine, Nypyren,

as far as i know my software is the only one in the world able to reproduce self-conscious behavior, so i suggest kids stop with self-embarrassment, silly comments and non-related discussion, which is insulting and ridiculing this forum.


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1) How does this help science understand the mind. Specifically, how does this affect either the interpretation of neuro-biological or cognitive neuroscience experimental results.


this helps science understand the mind because it can DEFINE the concepts in practical terms, as already explained and examples given. specifically, it affects the interpretation of neuro-biological or cognitive neuroscience experimental results, in a way that it actually can provide concrete and practical interpretation and therefore means to construct practical experiments.


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2) In what way does it propose new testable hypotheses. If it does, what specifically are those testable hypotheses.


it is explained more than once, what part is not clear to you? if you want to talk about something other than what this thread is about, then open a new thread for whatever it is you want to talk about.


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3) In what manner does this affect artificial intelligence research. What new algorithms does is present and how are those algorithms useful.


are you blind? it is explained, you don't seem to have read it, or you simply failed to understand. so, once again, it can actually explain and physically define the following concepts: cognition consciousness perception reflex detection emotion feeling thought instinct anticipation decision acknowledgment knowledge willingness comprehension intelligence awareness intuition recognition intention sensation mind self-awareness

algorithm?

what are you talking about?

is said this is about the definition, it is called "abstract class" in C++, or "virtual function" in Java.

          A= info input           B= memory(A)           C= reaction(B)          D= output(B)-> A          E= reaction(D)



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If you cannot concretely answer any one of those questions then I posit that your post has no "usefulness" in the context of these forums: forums dedicated to the development of computational neuroscience focusing on it's use in Video Games.


discussing the usefulness of definitions without actually applying them is just pitiful. is there anything of substance and actually related to OP that you have to say? this is very real and applicable definition, it applies correctly to any of the dynamical systems:

- charge
- atom
- grain of sand
- brick
- mechanical spring
- virus
- bacteria
- grass
- tree
- squid
- bird
- monkey
- human
- computer virus
- computer games/other software..
- any other practical case scenario...



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All you've done is present a rather poorly constructed philosophical treatise on the meaning of the words: mind, intelligence, etc. A treatise in which I can discern no practical usefulness with regards to science & programming.



and your argument is?

explanation for your ridiculous blabbering is what?


no my friend, you simply failed to understand. all you have done is explain your failings and then you missed the opportunity to articulate what in particular confused you. you don't seem to be curious about it, what's your agenda? bored?


there are four points open for discussion, if you have anything concrete to say about that, go ahead. if you don't, than just open your own thread and talk about whatever is you wanna talk there. alternatively, you may pull my tail a bit more if you wish to keep embarrassing yourself.

[Edited by - PlayStationX on February 17, 2009 12:17:32 PM]
Let's all agree to stop feeding the troll.
You just need to read up on the background info first.
--- krez ([email="krez_AT_optonline_DOT_net"]krez_AT_optonline_DOT_net[/email])
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You just need to read up on the background info first.


Curse the Evil of ONEismTM!
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Codeka, krez, alvaro, Nypyren, InnocuousFox, LessBread...

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Curse the Evil of ONEismTM
You just need to read up on the background info first.
Let's all agree to stop feeding the troll.
Well, Zoot must have lit this cat's grail-shaped beacon.
Oh god, another "purple 4th dimension" topic.
I seek the Grail! I have seen it, here in this castle!

Curse the background info first and stop feeding the cat's grail-shaped beacon in purple 4th dimension, here in this castle, you troll!


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My brain hurts.

Mine tickles.

My head just exploded.


aha... well, i thought this forum is for developers.

1.    A= info input 2.    B= memory(A) 3.    C= reaction(B)4.    D= output(B)-> A5.    E= reaction(D)



which one of these five lines hurts? what line to blame for your confusion?

if any of these lines keep hurting your brains, then i will delete them, i will not let some letters injure my friends any more!



anyhow... the mid-point conclusion is this:
- humans can not distinguish between intelligence and anything else. consciousness or self-awareness can not be measured, the observed system must follow expected, predicted, i.e. logical/intelligent behavior, otherwise it will simply not classify. in effect, any such test is only a measure of intelligence, while everything else is SUBJECTIVE OPINION of outside observers.

it is about human inability to classify randomness, humans can only quantify and measure logic or intelligence according to their imaginary purpose, which then makes "intelligence" itself, thought collective, rather subjective and possibly short-sighted "opinion" as well.




...i suppose, i'll just keep the rest of it for myself then.

[Edited by - PlayStationX on February 20, 2009 11:05:13 PM]
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...i suppose, i'll just keep the rest of it for myself then.
Sounds good.

If you'd like to try again, you're welcome to do so without all the pseudo-scientific babble and philosophy. If you've genuinely got software which is "able to reproduce self-conscious behavior" then you might find future efforts more productive if you start by demonstrating the capabilities of your software somehow. This forum is for developers, and you do not present yourself as would typically be expected of one.

- Jason Astle-Adams

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