Original post by Pirate_Lord You can if you get the right communication set. But it will use more energy and, by definition, you will give up some other capability. There are reasons why communications need to be limited in this game. For example, if you are really good you wouldn't want everyone on the other side to be able to easily find you whenever they wanted, would you? It might become hard to play.
Since the playability of your game relies on the general lack of communication ability by the players, it's a good thing that nobody makes externalchatprograms.
The playability of the game does not rely on the limited communications, it is merely enhanced by it. The only really important thing is that if you are a very well known player, you might be hounded regularly if anyone was able to just say to the entire galaxy "Where is Kavik Kang?" and get a near immediate answer. And your external chat program won't help you with that. It also won't get you onto the "leader's channel" created by the HCA-500 communications set. An external chat program really wouldn't help you out that much, all it would do is let you speak to the few people who knew you were there.
-- Marc Michalik (A.K.A. Pirate_Lord) Lost Art Studios -- www.piratedawn.com
I don't know whether to be encouraged or concerned by the lack of replies over the last few days. I hope that it means that there are some people who have taken an interest in Pirate Dawn and are currently reading it. I really do hope for this thread to become a place where I can help people who are interested in understanding Pirate Dawn take it all in. So if anyone has any questions about the game, I'd be happy to answer them.
Several people have mentioned the 3 or 6 pages "proposal". I do have that for Pirate Dawn. I also have what I call a "gameplay summary", what the computer game industry would call a "design document" that is about 40 pages long. You can see where the belong in section B of the Pirate Dawn design document. I decided not to make those available. If I did people would just read those and make a decision based on that, and when they did so would be deciding that their own vision of the game wasn't anything special without ever knowing what the game actually is.
I can say that I am very pleased that so many of you have told me that it is "too long" and "should be about 50 pages". Several of the articles I've written address that very issue. I'm still waiting to hear back on them being published for real somewhere, if they are not I will post them here.
-- Marc Michalik (A.K.A. Pirate_Dawn) Lost Art Studios -- www.piratedawn.com
If this really is another approach to selling your idea, consider it failed. The "arrogance" may have worked if it sounded confident. I hear excuses and whining. What you're subcommunicating is that you are not willing to take personal responsibility for your situation.
Original post by Opwiz If this really is another approach to selling your idea, consider it failed. The "arrogance" may have worked if it sounded confident. I hear excuses and whining. What you're subcommunicating is that you are not willing to take personal responsibility for your situation.
What "excuses and whining" are you talking about? Just because I may partially agree with what some might have to say does not mean that I am making "excuses" or "whining". I am just getting started, you haven't even begun to have seen what you will describe as "arrogance" from me yet. I think your problem is that, since you assume that am being "arrogant" you assume me to behave in most ways like other people you consider "arrogant". But since I am not also behaving in those ways, you are trying to find a reason why that might be.
Have you considered that maybe the term doesn't actually apply?
Although from my perspective, it certainly applies to the things people in the computer game industry have said too me. That really is a great word you people have chosen...
Why Marc should I play this game instead of Eve Online?
(I dont play eve online, thought i might during the holidays i want to see how possible it is for a player to earn subscription with ingame currency which eve allows unlike any other game i know about.)
can we just let this die please? I give up on trying to enforce some sanity or logic to this thread, and would argue that it would be for the best if all others do the same.
The guy is clearly struggling to keep his 'genius' idea alive, and all attempts at making him see things in a somewhat clear manner have been brushed aside by an inflated ego.
so I bid farewell to this thread before I begin hurtfully flaming, rather than trying to point out obvious pitfalls and logical fallacies.
P.S. last attempt: the idea behind "Pirate Dawn" would never have made it the #2 MMO in the world, it lies mostly in implementation. With implementation only being hypothetical, you cannot assume that it would be the #2 MMO in the world.
If you're anything other than a troll then please tell us what commercially released board and computer games you designed and what games were released based on ideas you had sent designs for to game development companies.
I expect you either won't reply to this post or will avoid the question somehow...
I am, quite frankly, upset with the kind of insincere, sarcastic, and generally rude replies to this thread in regard to Pirate_Lord's original post. As a member of GameDev.net for over seven years, I have come to expect far more of the community than what it is showing itself capable of within the scope of this particular thread. Pirate_Lord or, rather, Marc (if he grants me permission to call him by his first name) is a person that I would have thought the GameDev.net regulars would have paid far more respect to given Marc's candid nature and, if nothing else, his pedigree as both a designer and, more importantly, as a person.
One of Marc's excellently-proven points is that the game industry is quickly turning into a loathsome beast of a thing. This is an industry even more despicable than the worst that Hollywood has to offer due solely to the fact that it is, in theory, filled with a number of smart people who simply fail to either care or have the patience to give the time of day to a "design document," however long it may be, that has a very real potential to revolutionize the industry.
So, from now on, I'd like to see courteous and sincere replies to Pirate_Lord. He is a user tormented by delusions of grandeur that deserves some honesty in order to, hopefully, drive his megalomania-suffering, arrogance-ridden, criminally verbose demons away.
Well, here's what I think - not that that is anything special! And for the record I am NOT in the games industry and also I'm pretty young (relatively) so I will try to choose my words very carefully... Pirate_Lord's attitude, which seems to have offended some and which seems to be a target by others, is understandable based on the idea that he has been mistreated by the game industry time and time again. Also, and I'm making an assumption here, the whole "now I have your attention thing" actually does work quite well, as controversy gets a whole lot of attention - and he has (inadvertently) stated that he's not worried about getting negative attention, rather he planned it. On the other hand, it seemed to me (once again my opinion) that people (not everyone) DID try to give him some polite advice. Now whether he knew it already or not is beside the point, they (not everyone) were only trying to help, and it seems that he disregarded them like he was disregarded. Also understandable in my opinion, to a certain degree. And if I comprehended the thread correctly Pirate_Lord, you say something along the lines of "I am giving the industry a taste of its own medicine". However, the people that are or were trying to help that seem to me to have been disregarded in one manner or another are NOT (or at least most likely not) the people that did this to you over the years. Sure, a lot of them are in the industry, but that's no different from me being rude to all police (heh) because I've been mistreated by police in the past (which I still do... yes it's hipocritical but I'm just proving a point).
Anyway I did not read the design doc and probably won't... I'm just not really interested, and it actually doesn't have anything to do with Pirate_Lord or other's comments. I am interested to see if this controversy idea works for Pirate_Lord and see where this goes (note that calculated bad attention isn't necessarily good, but it IS calculated for a reason, but I'm not one to employ such means - if anyone cares). I think however both the people responding AND Pirate_Lord could have a little more respect for each other, and hopefully I don't get bashed/rated down/etc. for expressing this... it's nothing more than my opinion and I really wasn't trying to offend anyone!!
Cheers (and have a Merry X-Mas to those who will be celebrating it!) -Scott
