Cyberderk: First off,let''s not start using language like you did. Second of all,I NEVER said there isn''t an IDE for Linux.I just said there isn''t one that I''ve tried that compares to VC++ (Although I will take a look at that KDev.That one I haven''t heard of till now.) And yes,I do program on linux (I have to,my instructor kinda forces it so I have no choice I''m no expert though) and yes,I do try the IDE''s on that box.That''s how I do those comparisons.(Speaking of which,what''s the URL to KDev?)

NM,found it....looks pretty good so far

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Original post by MuteAngel
Can we say that VC++ isn''t ANSI?

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I know. What kind of stupid company would make a non-standards-compliant compiler? How dumb is that? It''s a good thing GCC is completely standards compliant, or we''d really be screwed.


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SilentError: I never said you are your IDE,but a good IDE helps me get my work done alot faster (productivity anyone?)

Win2000 is a good OS especially for business apps and the like, though I prefer to use WinME for programming and games mainly because of boot/shutdown times, for example when Im trying to fix a major bug in my game and the game crashes everytime I run it, you dont want to sit there and wait for Win2000 to load for 3 minutes. WinME takes 35 seconds which is long enough.

Regarding Linux, ive tried RedHat 7.0 and I can say now its not user friendly at all. I know its designed for server installations and not meant for the desktop, but even so, I played with RedHat 6.2 and compiled the kernal and many apps (even created my own app) so I know how to get around linux, but with RedHat 7 how the hell do you change the desktop resolution?
There is no resolution control in the KDE or Redhat control panel, a friend told me it was an icon on the desktop, but when I looked it wasnt there, I remember there was a command line program in 6.2 but how do you find them? Linux is a mess at the moment so ill stick with Windows.

Taphreek :

I''m not American and I don''t live in a capitalist nation, nor a communist one for that matter, so forgive me if I sound weird or anything . I guess I just like freedom over anything.

Of course I''m not saying that everybody should release everything (I''d like it), but releasing some part of their work (like Borland releasing the source to their VCL with Kylix) would, IMHO, benefit to everybody. And even if MS doesn''t give the source to their API, I wish they''d manage to make them somewhat portable (ie no COM/DCOM/COM+, stick to ANSI standard, etc).

I noticed that many of the "anti-linux/open source" (anti is probably a bit strong) people are very glad to find open source 3D engines such as CrystalSpace, Genesis3D, the nebula device and so on. Especially when the said engines are available on windows.

Last post was me, sorry for the anonymous thing.

As for GCC not being ANSI, here is what I found on your link, Martee :
"GNU C provides several language features not found in ISO standard C. (The `-pedantic'' option directs GNU CC to print a warning message if any of these features is used.)"

I''m sorry but I don''t really see how this applies to ANSI standards. Of course it is possible to compile non-ANSI code with gcc and to use language extensions, but at least it has a full implementation AFAIK. Have you ever tried to compile with -ansi? And also, have you ever tried to make a win32 app in VC and turn of language extensions (Project->Settings->C++->Customize)? Lot of fun if you ask me.

Now, given your sarcastic comment, I don''t think you''re open to a constructive discussion so I''m done with this thread.

grrr.. The last 2 are mines. Now I''m gone.

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I wouldn''t be counting on Microsoft to make a .NET port to linux and I wouldn''t really use them anyways.

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Microsoft has announced plans to port .NET to linux. Whether or not we want them to port it is another matter altogether. They''re probably doing it so people can use the "I''m developing cross platform software" excuse while still only releasing Windows versions, which means more developers on MS''s side.

BTW: I seriously hope Buster was joking when he said that, I doubt anyone could be so senseless as to say that and truely mean it.

"Finger to spiritual emptiness underlying everything." -- How a C manual referred to a "pointer to void." --Things People Said

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Win2000 is a good OS especially for business apps and the like, though I prefer to use WinME for programming and games mainly because of boot/shutdown times, for example when Im trying to fix a major bug in my game and the game crashes everytime I run it, you dont want to sit there and wait for Win2000 to load for 3 minutes. WinME takes 35 seconds which is long enough.

Regarding Linux, ive tried RedHat 7.0 and I can say now its not user friendly at all. I know its designed for server installations and not meant for the desktop, but even so, I played with RedHat 6.2 and compiled the kernal and many apps (even created my own app) so I know how to get around linux, but with RedHat 7 how the hell do you change the desktop resolution?
There is no resolution control in the KDE or Redhat control panel, a friend told me it was an icon on the desktop, but when I looked it wasnt there, I remember there was a command line program in 6.2 but how do you find them? Linux is a mess at the moment so ill stick with Windows.

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XFree86 governs the resolution, not Linux''s Kernel, KDE, or Gnome. I think the way to do it is Ctrl+Shift+Plus and Ctrl+Shift+Minus. Those will only work if you have multiple resolutions listed as valid. I''m not sure though, I only listed 1024x768 32bit as valid when I installed it. I''ll probably need to reinstall it soon, because I messed up some stuff with Redhat 7 .

Win2K does take a little longer to boot up (about 25 seconds for me, as oppossed to the 10 seconds I had Win98 booting in), but it is worth it not to have to reboot just because of a memory leak (WinNT/Win2K catch and free the memory when the program is closed) or page fault (blue screen? ).

"Finger to spiritual emptiness underlying everything." -- How a C manual referred to a "pointer to void." --Things People Said

http://druidgames.cjb.net/