Yeah, what's your issue? We control this thread. We control the horizontal and the vertical....wait..um...

Anyway, I have to level my beta WoW Rogue from 9 to 10 before I hit the sack.

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Original post by Telastyn getting slightly back on topic.

Yeah, this thread got kind of off topic.

But, my question is that the poster seems to think that there haven't been too many games appealing to the specific niche of gamers that would like morally offensive (to some people) games.

Does anyone know of morally offensive games that had good sales?
I did a quick google search and I found that Acclaim released a bicycle motocross game called BMX XXX in 2002 (I think another poster had mentioned the game) which sold under 100,000 copies.

I believe that few publishers would market a game for less than 100,000 sales.

Political incorrectness will not make a game fun. It will offend many people and attract others. It will draw negative light from the media.

Of course if the politically incorrect part of your game does nothing to affect the game but it adversely affects public relations, then it will hurt you in the end. Of course asking if "Politically Incorrect Games are fun" is a broad, generalized question. If the gameplay is good and the story is offensive but it appeals to a certain niche, then some would consider it fun and others wouldn't. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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Gameplay makes a game fun. Let's take the standard first person shooting gun game. The current gungame fad is shooting zombies. There's duck hunt, deer hunter, one where you shoot planes, terrorists, thieves... What would happen if they were replaced with something politically incorrect [or even as this thread has suggested, offensive]? The sprite of the target would change, and deep down the human mind doesn't care. A pattern is a pattern. When the player pattern matches something on the screen as "target" they'll point and shoot at it. A hit gives the little reward of success, a miss the opposite.

Exactly, this sort of formulaic gameplay pins one group as evil and drills it into the players mind that they deserve to die, so the player feels justified in killing these "targets." The image behind the target could be anything, Nazis or babies, although the former is more politically correct.

Video games cater to what people enjoy, but they are also judged by societal values. Of course people are going to push the boundaries with more sex more violence, more things that are generally considered wrong, but that people enjoy living out in a fantasy world. Things don't happen overnight. The envelope gets pushed more and more, but occasionally a game attempts to cause a revolution instead of sticking to tried-and-true evolution. These games, like BMX XXX, GTA, Postal, Soldier of Fortune, and Mortal Kombat, sometimes work and sometimes don't.

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Does anyone know of morally offensive games that had good sales? I did a quick google search and I found that Acclaim released a bicycle motocross game called BMX XXX in 2002 (I think another poster had mentioned the game) which sold under 100,000 copies.

You've got to be kidding, just look at any first-person shooter or any game where you kill people. I believe killing is one of those "absolute" moral wrongs. Yet, although morally wrong, this has becoming somewhat politically correct in the video game arena. We have seen that the general audience is not ready for things like nudity, but still more and more blood is pushed onscreen. Maybe its because of society's phobia of sexuality or maybe because its hard to represent sex in a video game, but this direction of political incorrectness hasn't been addressed very much.

Addressing the idea of hatred and discrimination brought up by the OP... This has taken form in video games, as others have pointed out. The enemy pointer finger has been directed at Nazis, Russians, Japanese, but not Catholics, because, well, maybe because the U.S. has a major Christian population. Okay I'm done.

Gays... no. The political environment would not accept it. Going against the grain just for the sake of being not PC gets you nowhere. Arabs, terrorists... this would probably be acceptable now. Okay now I'm done.

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Original post by Warsong Also another side not someone said that Jews back then in WW2 and like how Muslims are treated now which is not true. Even Hitler’s book was made with the Muslim Koran in mind by copying it, which is why news sources state that the #1 book besides the Koran in Muslim countries is Hitter’s book. I wonder he is getting the royalties from Hitters book. Hey these are facts stated by top news organization and to put something like this in a game would be historically insightful and compelling unlike most fake games that generally are mindless. And mindless games are an insult to us all.

There is tension between the muslim and jewish people, so it selling well in muslim countries is a little bit understandable. There is plenty of anti-Islamic hate literature out there that seems to be targeted towards Jews and Christians (Like that site in your sig, taking quotes out of context is pretty easy, you know, I'll post an article that explains it a little later.)

I sort of doubt the claim that Mein kampf and the koran are equal. Not everything Winston Churchill belived is an absolute truth

Also, it wouldn't be "insightful", in these times it would only encourage hatred and violence against muslims.

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Ok. I clarified in my past post which is on page 2 in where I said to have a game that offends everyone but it says the truth about everyone. Like putting things to extreme to show it better. For example the bad things Catholics have done, the bad things Atheists have done, the bad that Muslims, gays, straight, feminists, non feminists, dog owners and non dog owners have done.

Agree? Yes no? That way no one is left out and you do not insult anyone since you are only stating the truth. If some don’t like the truth said then they are just as bad which the game will definitely attack them too so that we won’t leave them out. :D If you say the negative truth about everyone then you do not discriminate of offend anyone. The game should make people humble if attacks them and not have too much pride since every game makes people have too much pride to be like Rambo.

Let’s be original and a game like this will eventually come out and it will do well. It would not have a small audience if you make it this way. We have to be ahead of game design and not be recycling like many people do. If we left things the same we would be playing Atari, which isn’t bad but you know what I mean. ;)

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Would you kind of agree to the statement above
Also too many situations to be out of context with the Koran, and if you disagree then you have to agree that too many Muslims read it out of content so either way not a good thing. Many historians and cultures see that actions speak louder than words and no matter how many people say it is good historical actions say otherwise. The information has been verified and why dispute one argument for another to always have everything look that it’s good since there are bad ideologies in the world. All of us want to believe that every ideology is good and that no matter what we do it will all be justifiable but it can not work that way. Things have a cause and affect and people have to take responsibility for their actions. The rest you can PM me about.

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Pakistan is not a democracy. Your example has no bearing on my comment. Chechnya is not a democracy (Russia's claims not withstanding).

[nitpick]The United States is not a democracy either...[/nitpick]

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Original post by Anonymous Poster Quote: Pakistan is not a democracy. Your example has no bearing on my comment. Chechnya is not a democracy (Russia's claims not withstanding). [nitpick]The United States is not a democracy either...[/nitpick]

Of course it is. It's a republican democracy. One of many forms of democracy. The myth about the U.S. not "really" being a democracy is just that, a myth.