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Started by August 08, 2003 07:49 AM
41 comments, last by digisoap 20 years, 11 months ago
quote: Original post by Lamont
...To get access to the gMax SDK is $25,000 USD ...


What is your source for this information? Its not posted on Discreet''s web site and it seems a bit high considering that you can get the full 3DMAX (with the SDK) for $3K.
As far as I know the gMax SDK can be used to create exporters for gMax. That way everyone can create models for your game for free. This would justify the price...
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I''ve done some research and it costs $1,200 per year for access to the GMAX SDK.
the real reason that PIRACY is bad, it's because it's raise popularity of costly program and drain energy from free and low cost good program initiative...

i was very piss when mp3 help supports major than initiative of unknown people...

piracy is really THAT bad, argh

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
be good
be evil
but do it WELL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[edited by - Neoshaman on September 1, 2003 12:08:29 AM]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be goodbe evilbut do it WELL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hmmm..

Stealing from a nameless, faceless, entity is what people here don''t give a s*** about it.

But, try stealing from an individual like me, and there will be hell to pay:

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=77c98bb50b4057ad18fd852d94f391f7&threadid=81235&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/comment/view_all.pike?id1=x/e/xenongfx.html.old&id2=x/e/xenongfx.html.com&des=Dale%20Williams&z=0
I don't think that people should be penalized for speaking about pirated software. When you do that you're contributing to communism (and I don't mean that in the usual jocular manor).

As a moderator it's your job to keep things from getting out of hand and stepping in with the finger of god when they do, not to attempt to enforce your personal morals.

Things that should be moderated are maybe things like talking about child porn, not pirated copies of software. I know that many of us are programmers here and to pirate software is sort of hypocritical and well, illegal. Either way, to talk about something so harmless to people in general should not be moderated on I don't think.

My $0.02

edit: @Afaik: take a chill pill

James Simmons
MindEngine Development
http://medev.sourceforge.net

[edited by - neurokaotix on September 2, 2003 3:37:27 AM]
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quote: Original post by Lamont
I have been doing research about the "Free" editions of software. While they are almost full-featured, portions of the software have been removed, so someone with the SDK can''t say for instance, write a plug-in to export to a game engine. Maya and Softimage are like this. To get access to the gMax SDK is $25,000 USD and if you write an export plug-in with MaxScript, there is a good chance it will not work. Lightwave will only alow 400 points per layer.

So what is the best solution? I know Softimage will negotiate a price/payment plan. Alias will not. Discreet is just a money hungry monster, and Newtek won''t budge from $1,500.

If you ever come across $3000 USD, then buy Maya and Lightwave. Personaly I say screw XSI and 3DS Max. XSI for clumsyness (hard to get into) and 3DS Max for price.

Go here to see a pretty good list of free 3D apps.

http://www.cgchat.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15279

You can''t really "write off" 3D applications, there''s tons of rules and regulations. Last thing you need is a fat IRS bill.

Raduprv, all the free learning editions let you save your work. Just there are limitations.

Some of you are students. You can get Lightwave for 400USD full version, 3DS Max for 600USD a whole suite of Adobe products for 600USD.. ect to infinum.

My first 3D app was Pixels 3D.. I negotiated a price to like 200USD.

There is a 3D app within the price range of everyone.

Lamont G.
CG Artist
Chula Vista CA
http://www.digitalweapon.net



Well before I chime in on the whole piracy issue let me first explain who GMax is targeted at. GMax was developed as an application to sell to game developers so that they could then package their game and GMax togeather as a tool for Mod makers. For MOD makers it''s a god send, it gives them a standard interface that they can make content for any game that ships with the product with out having to relearn the interface. The high cost of GMax is due to the fact that it''s supposed to be sold to developers as an application they can re-distribute freely with their applications hence the huge $25k SDK fee.

Onto the priacy issue. There is absolutely no excuse or justification for pirating software. You want to be a programmer or make applications or games yet your willing to steal from others to do so? Do you think that individual programmers don''t see the effects of software piracy on their salaries or bonus''s? Perhaps you think your justified because your "learning"? What ever your excuse you are hurting yourself, the industry you want to enter, and programmers you may work with in the future. If you pirate software now what''s going to stop you from "leaking" software to others once you get into the industry? Developing software pays my bills, and it pays other programmers and artists bills as well, piracy is nothing more than a smack in the face after you''ve spent a long time trying to develop a product that people will enjoy. Personally I find it distasteful that anyone would be stupid enough or arrogant enough to fully admit they pirate on a board filled with aspiring game developers or those in the industry.

There are a number of free or very in-expensive programs out on the market which can fill the void of any of the products that you may want to pirate:

Need a compiler? There are a number of various compilers you can get, download cygenus and get gcc, install linux use KDevelop.

Need a photo program? Paint shop pro costs $50 or so, and if that''s out of your league you can use The Gimp which is almost exactly like photoshop and it''s free.

3d applications? Its only $35 for milkshape, and blender is now free.

Still want max, Maya, photoshop, Visual Studio? Check out some of the online stores such as www.journeyed.com which sell low cost educational versions of these programs as long as you have proof your in school.

The bottom line here is that you don''t NEED to use photoshop, you don''t NEED to use MAX, you don''t NEED to use maya, you don''t NEED to use softimage. There are plenty of alternatives, if you can''t find one then that speaks more about your lack of ability to do a web search and find something suitable than it does about how high priced commercial programs are and how your justified in pirating these applications because of it.
Joseph FernaldSoftware EngineerRed Storm Entertainment.------------------------The opinions expressed are that of the person postingand not that of Red Storm Entertainment.
quote: Original post by neurokaotix
My $0.02

edit: @Afaik: take a chill pill

James Simmons
MindEngine Development
http://medev.sourceforge.net

[edited by - neurokaotix on September 2, 2003 3:37:27 AM]



If someone stole your artwork and slapped their name on it, you''d be pissed too.
Same thing goes with software, 3D models, or your sup''ed up Ford Cobra.
Sure I would be pissed, but I would be chill.

James Simmons
MindEngine Development
http://medev.sourceforge.net
I once said this to myself and friends years ago and it is very true:
"There are two kinds of people."
"Talented people with no money."
"And people with a lot of money. but no talent."

I said this because I wished and wished that i had lot''s of music equipment to make music because I was talented (and still am) and very frustrated that there was no way I could make it.

I am still going. But, I just updated it to:
"There are three kinds of people in this world."
"Poor talented people."
"Untalented rich people."
"Succesful people"

In case your not catching on, I''m basicly saying, "people who have a lot of money are NOT neccesarily "succesful" people.

WHO do you think I mean ARE "succesful"?

Knowledge,wisdom,understanding=power over oneself=power over world

Power. Not meaning domination but as in ability
power: the ability to do much work faster. As in POWERLIFTING

Powerlifters are not world dominators
but they can move big parts of it.

Power,strength,indurance,passion,speed
all comes with much practice and patiance

These are things that PIRATES will NEVER have

But they look cool in those eye patches that blind them from seeing the value of their OWN gold!

If I ever write a book... .. .. .. . .

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