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Original post by Rob Loach
I wouldn''t say Diablo is original. I would say it''s great, but its concept, IMO, is quite old.

Black and White, and the "God Games" Genre, IMO, is a very new genre, along with the young MMORPG genre.

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If Diablo, at the time of it''s inception, wasn''t original by your definition, then how can anything be original? Everything would just be a "concept" that was spawned from a previous idea, or built upon it.

As for Black and White being a new genre, have you forgotten Populous (by Molyneux, of course)? Sim City? Those were "god games", and both were playable on the original NES. That''s not "very new".

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Original post by Trigomaq
Theres VERY FEW original games out there made by American companies(I''m referring to the video game industry, I don''t play PC games). This is bad.

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Uhh, what, by your definition, is the "video game industry"? So when a company makes a console game, they belong to this "video game industry", but the moment they start making the same game for the PC, they are no longer part of the video game industry -- have I got that right? I''m just trying to figure out the logic here.

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Uhh, what, by your definition, is the "video game industry"? So when a company makes a console game, they belong to this "video game industry", but the moment they start making the same game for the PC, they are no longer part of the video game industry -- have I got that right? I''m just trying to figure out the logic here.

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Some people take the approach that "video game industry" != "computer game industry". They would both then fall under some other umbrella category, like "game industry" or "electronic game industry".

I, personally, don''t think that the Japanese are living in a backwards society. BUT, through the lens of American society, most Americans think that the Japanese are "backwards" but I don''t.

If I asked you to list all of the original games made by Americans you would give me a short list. Short list.......compared to the Japanese list.

I''ll stop referring to this business as the "video game industry" since 66% of you don''t know what I''m talking about. How does the "console market" sound to you?

Let me re-state my point. The console market is all about business now. Big companies(American; most) no longer care about the quality of their games, they just care about the quantity sales. The "suits" want to profit from the games, they honestly don''t care anymore. Activision and EA are perfect examples. Activision published like 4 Tony Hawk sequels and all of the games are generally the same. It''s like the designer didn''t took the time to try and change the game system around, its like they clone the game and added new characters/levels without any effort.




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Original post by Trigomaq
I, personally, don''t think that the Japanese are living in a backwards society. BUT, through the lens of American society, most Americans think that the Japanese are "backwards" but I don''t.

If I asked you to list all of the original games made by Americans you would give me a short list. Short list.......compared to the Japanese list.

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Who ever said the Japanese arn''t iinventive is an ignorant boob. After going to a Japanese software store all I have to say is:

"What you see imported from Japan (in terms of software) is just the tip of the iceberg!"

Although the Japanese PC industry "iz teh suxx0rz"

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I, personally, don''t think that the Japanese are living in a backwards society. BUT, through the lens of American society, most Americans think that the Japanese are "backwards" but I don''t.

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You sound like you do.

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If I asked you to list all of the original games made by Americans you would give me a short list. Short list.......compared to the Japanese list.

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Let''s start, then. Pong. Pitfall. Adventure. Rogue/NetHack. Dune II (and its iterative sequels). Wasteland. Fallout. The Exile series (original premise, some gameplay tweaks, including Blades of Exile). The Elder Scrolls series. Betrayal at Krondor. M.U.L.E. Populous. Magic Carpet. Civilization. Pirates!. The Sims. Wing Commander. Theme Park. Black and White. Moraff''s World. Moraff''s Revenge. Moraff''s Stones. Planescape: Torment. System Shock. Deus Ex. Unreal. Halo. Doom. Quake. Akalabeth. Ultima. *whew* Okay, I''m tired of educating you on this foolish point. Most Japanese games are derivative. Got a list of original ones yourself?

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I''ll stop referring to this business as the "video game industry" since 66% of you don''t know what I''m talking about. How does the "console market" sound to you?

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Oh, of course, it''s our fault that you don''t speak correctly. Check.

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Let me re-state my point. The console market is all about business now. Big companies(American; most) no longer care about the quality of their games, they just care about the quantity sales. The "suits" want to profit from the games, they honestly don''t care anymore. Activision and EA are perfect examples. Activision published like 4 Tony Hawk sequels and all of the games are generally the same. It''s like the designer didn''t took the time to try and change the game system around, its like they clone the game and added new characters/levels without any effort.

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Incorrect. Quit pretending that you know what you''re talking about; you don''t. The Tony Hawk sequels are fairly different (better tricks, better levels, graphics, etcetera) from each other. And that''s normal. Sequels have ALWAYS done that. Hold up your no-doubt-precious Final Fantasy series and I''ll thoroughly slap you down on that point. Companies are the same no matter the flag they wave over their offices. Japanese companies have just as many buggy, half-assed releases as American or European ones. You seem like one of those deluded fools who simply think "the suits" are evil bastards whose only train of thought is "moneymoneymoneymoney". If that was what they cared about, why is Microsoft insisting on such high quality for XBox games? Why have all releases, as a rule, on the GameCube been pretty good? Or are you whining about how you have to download patches for games constantly? Have you ever even MADE a game? Do you know what most patches do? Most add new features, new gameplay modes, new everything.

Okay, I''m sick of this.

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Original post by Edward Ropple
Let''s start, then. (list omitted)

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Two of those were British games, but your point was well-made anyway

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Most Japanese games are derivative. Got a list of original ones yourself?

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I think most games produced anywhere are derivative. I think it''s been this way since about 1988.

I also think that people see the really wacky Japanese games and think that this means that Japanese designers are so much more creative in general, and don''t care about ''the suits''. They definitely forget that Japan has an economy too, and that part of the reason why there are these weird games is because the Japanese people want them, whereas American consumers don''t want them (or don''t know they want them). Secondly, people conveniently overlook the mass of copycat Japanese games, for example the numerous animé RPGs that never get translated into English because the rest of the world isn''t as obsessed with them as the Japanese are.

From an outsider''s perspective, I see a lot of young Americans criticising American culture and worshipping Japanese culture. I don''t quite understand it because they are just different, neither being better than the other.

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Original post by Edward Ropple

Incorrect. Quit pretending that you know what you''re talking about; you don''t.

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I agree. You (Trigomaq) seem to be gathering all of your information by reading articles from magazines, websites, forums, etc. Most of your comments sound like it''s coming from a disgruntled fanboy. Those of us who actually work professsionally in the industry know how it works, and why it works as such. Things can get better, sure -- any industry can attest to that. But unless *you''re* willing to do something about it, quit pretending like you know what you''re talking about. Go ahead and try filling our shoes, I sincerely doubt you can do anything than blow more smoke up our arses.