I think that CobraA1 was right in that intel is making a processor that gets pure random numbers by measuring the electronic buzz on the processor. i suppose in theory this could be not purely random because it could make the same buzz twice.

Ahhh yes you could get the same numbers twice, but this isn''t exactly proof that it isn''t rnd....

But then again, maybe nothing is rnd. Maybe everything is predetermined and we are just following the path already set out for us by fate.....mmmmm
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With a quantum computer you could make the "best" random numbers because in quantum physics you can only give probabilities for a particle to appear in a specific part of space.

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I belive that there is no such thing as a truly random number, everything COULD theoreticly be predicted! think about it: a dice is influenced by airpressure, turbulence, gravity and a million other small things... but its not RANDOM... it''s just verry close-to-borderline-impossible to predict!

thats what i think anyways...

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Well I think something truly random is my intelligence at any given point in time ;-).
Apart from that, I think almost everything could be deduced to have some cause, and therefore be not entirely random. The point is we don''t really care, as long as the patterns aren''t too obvious.
(hey, do you like my new random number table? 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, ... )

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JonatanHedborg - There are a few things in this universe of ours that cannot be predicted, radio-active decay is one and the position of an electron are examples there may be more that I haven''t heard of. These have both been proven true with the science called quantum mechanics(physics).

If something is not random, it must have some sort of pattern, right?

But what if that pattern starts to repeat 5 billion years from now! That way you cant prove that it is random.

But, as many people already said, It doesent need to be true random just as long as the pattern isnt to obvius.


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Radioactive decay is random, and it is this randomness that lets us predict it.
That doesn''t make sense.
But then, how do we know how long a half-life is? if it was random, we wouldn''t.

-Mezz

Anybody here believe that everything is random, and some things just have low variance?

Anyone saying that ''X is proven by Quantum Physics'' or whatever should remember that 99% of physics is still just theory, and gradually being refined. Although these theories are accurate enough to be used in everything we do, mathematically one can prove that there are discrepancies between the different branches. And therefore it will not be ''correct'' until one set of rules can be applied to everything. Until there is that grand unified theory which encompasses everything, quantum physics is just a ''good enough'' answer and not a ''perfect'' hypothesis. And therefore, it doesn''t ''prove'' anything, it just ''strongly'' suggests.