(Yeah, I know) but I''ve got Watcom v11 from about 4 yrs ago (300bucks I think). Was good for what I wanted it for. Now I need to compile some MFC code and can''t get it to work. The CD has examples and all on MFC. But when I try to compile I get "need Large model" or something. Tried changing the defines but still no luck. What am I doing wrong???? (besides not going out and grabbing VC++) Any help appreciated... Tks