Did I say that I was trying to be kind? No, the pronoun I used was "he," and as far as I can tell, I''m not schitzophrenic. Brainf*ck was a joke, as can be told by the icon on the post. Why are you calling me a loser? Trying to flamebait? He sarcastically replied to the second post with

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OH! thanks that help alot, thanks for explaining really good yeah, right!....W/E....

(as far as I can tell, that was a response to the second post), and even though it answered his question, he now starts demanding for additional information like a jerk, just because he''s not willing to STFW. By the way, I also suggested a great link (start_here) which should have answered any additional questions. Now THAT is being helpful: encouraging others to seek answers for themselves (after tapping them in the right direction), providing light humor, telling them how to get more information in the future. As far as I can tell, you''re not helping one bit.

Peace,
ZE.

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quote: Original post by ZealousElixir
Brainf*ck was a joke, as can be told by the icon on the post.

A joke that wasn''t very helpful given the circumstances.

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Why are you calling me a loser? Trying to flamebait?

Because a newbie came here asking a reasonable question and you flamed him. I find it particularly ironic that you directed him towards Eric Raymond''s hacker FAQ pages. I don''t think you understand the hacker ethic one bit.

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He sarcastically replied to the second post with [...]

I''m not surprised.

quote: he now starts demanding for additional information like a jerk,

Can you provide a quote from the OP that you consider to be a demand for information?

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just because he''s not willing to STFW.

For what? Just what would you put in a search engine to find an answer to the original question, given that there are thousands of programming languages? It was *not* a STFW type question.

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As far as I can tell, you''re not helping one bit.

Whereas your posts, which have included a joke about Brainfuck, called the OP an idiot and an ungrateful jackass and sent him off to ER''s Smart Questions FAQ is being helpful? And my posts, which included a recommendation to try Python, with a relevant link to tutorials, was completely unhelpful?

[C++ FAQ Lite | ACCU | Boost | Stroustrup on Learning C++]

A question like this will get you very many different answers, simply because different people prefer certain languages etc.

Personally I would second SabreMan''s suggestion about Python, or possibly suggest learning Pascal/Delphi; Pascal being the first language I learnt and it''s very easy. I would not recommend any form of BASIC. I don''t think it''s a good beginners language. This is pretty much just my personal opinion though, and I''m sure a few people here will disagree with me (no need to flame ).

While I did start with Qbasic, I sort of regret the wasted time, luckily, I didn''t learn anything farther than loops and If''s, which pretty much is something you can cover in 4-5 days tops.

I can''t really speak generally about this, specially since I DID actually start with something other than C++ (Which is what you''re going to end up with I guess), but jumping right into C++ wouldn''t be THAT hard, the hardest part is the beginning, just be sure you get the right book.

C++ is hard-typed, very strict, you may have a hard time adjusting from something as forgiving as Qbasic to C++ -Hopefully, a 1337 programmer can come along and explain that, since I''m pretty much a n00b in this subject-.

The only reason you should consider my post is because I have been in the situation not a long time ago, good luck anyway.

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quote: Original post by badblood909
C++ is hard-typed, very strict,

C++ is statically typed, though it''s type-checking can hardly be called ''strict'' (at least not in the sense of strict type checking present in languages such as Pascal, Ada, etc.).

SabreMan:
Jokes aren''t meant to be helpful.
I don''t think you understand the hacker ethic. When one comes into a new group of hackers, as this one admitted, one is expected to be humble until one shows one''s worth. I have no problems with people asking questions, as long as they appreciate the answers they''re given, expecially if they fulfill the original question in its entirety (BTW, when I said the second post, I meant the second reply. My bad.)
I already did provide the quote you asked for.
Search for what? Have you ever used google? Try starting with "C Programming". In addition, I did post a link to "Start Here," so he could read up on additional topics (as I already mentioned).
Yes, my posts have been helpful. While not answering his question directly (which can''t be done without showing bias, and which can''t be done anyway because there is no "right" starting language), I gave subtle instruction on how to help himself in the future.
Yeah, the first reply was in bad taste. If that''s your hang-up, get over it. Chill out.

Peace,
ZE.

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*ahem* ZE and SabreMan, continue the discussion, if necessary, via email. You''re both more mature and more valuable to the community than this.

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Thanks to Kylotan for the idea!

Thanks, Oluseyi.

Everyone:
I''d like to appologize for my lack of judgement in perpetuating this argument, as well as my initial reply. In the future, I will try to respond as appropriately as possible, and place my discussions through in the proper channels.

Later,
ZE.

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Just to be clear: I don''t think your initial reply was a problem. If you''d have stopped there I wouldn''t have seen a problem whatsoever. It was that I didn''t think the OP''s reaction deserved the thorough flaming he subsequently received. Still, I''m no more interested in pursuing an argument than yourself, so I won''t drag it out any further. We all cross the line without realising sometimes, and that''s when someone else in the community will give us a metaphorical poke in the ribs. Right, back to what we''re *really* here for...

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Uh, ok... this was an interesting thread. Anyway, I would like to add my "opinion." If you absolutely want to start with c++, and you really want to learn it well, take some classes. There is a chance you''ll get a bad teacher, but if you get a good one your learning is alot more structured than a book, and you''ll have less of a chance of getting frustrated and giving up. I know most people say learn it on your own, and I agree, I spend hours reading code and coding every day. Some classes will make you much stronger in the basics, and you''ll have the chance to learn things you never even thought to ask, because your classmates are learning and asking questions too. With that said, if your going to learn on your own, I totally agree with Python.



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