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What Does the Rest of the World Think About the GOP Candidates/Debates?

Started by September 19, 2015 06:16 AM
51 comments, last by Alessio1989 9 years, 4 months ago
Compared to the useless would-be-conservative de-facto-ultra-left government that we have in Germany
Huh? Your government is not ultra-left.

Oh oh... this is going ooooooffffffffffffffffffff topic... I shouldn't have said a thing. Well, too late. I'll keep the rant short, promised.

They certainly are. On paper they are conservative, but de facto thay are ultra-left. Or rather, the actual government is opportunistic without any opinion of their own and no plan or guidance, and whenever the lefts shout, they chime in. When they did the overnight nuclear exit, I thought it was bad, oh how little did I know...

Presently, compulsatory expropriation is being done (at the current time only to hotel owners, but private persons are in the discussion) to sustain criminals whom the government actively pulls into the country by thousands every day. No, this is not a joke.

I am deliberately saying "criminals" because that is what is the issue. It's not about them being foreigners, I welcome every foreigner who wishes to come to my country to live and work here, legally. You know, I am a foreigner in 192 countries worldwide myself. I don't care what color their skin is, either. I didn't get to choose my color, and neither did they.

This is not the issue.

The issue is that they are aggressively invading (shooting at border guards, or overrunning them, breaching barriers), of course without Visa, leeching on the social system to no end, abusing the legal system to the last bit, and impairing the rights and limiting the freedom of citizens who work for their living, and they do not even accept our culture.

Other EU countries close their borders and build fences whereas our government openly invites everybody (...and shouts at Hungary for defending the border, which is what Schengen requires them to do!), no matter who they are or what they do. Everything is excused. And government even openly acknowledges that they have no idea how many thousand ISIS terrorists they've let in last week and that inner security is at stake. But hey, who cares. Two terror strikes prevented the last second this week, but hey, who cares.

If you don't agree with that, you are a hatred-driven, xenophobic Nazi, and you need to be punished with all the force of the law. That's what our government is like at the present time.

Yes, we do have Nazis in the country, especially in the "Former East", and they are rapidly gaining support. That is not a good thing, and I am very worried about the escalation of violence that must inevitably come. But the way things are going right now, this will come, it must come. What I fear is that I may find myself in the middle between them, and in any case it will be me who will be paying for the repairs. Just like I'm the one who is paying for burnt-down shelters to be rebuilt.

What I don't agree with is that my (or anyone else's) rights are less important than the rights of people who came here illegally and who do not even respect our laws or culture, and I am expected to smile and agree with that.

I have the right to own property, but hey, it's OK to take that away. I have the right to move freely, but hey, it's OK if I'm not allowed to. I have the right to express my opinion. But hey, if I do, I shall be punished.

My grand mother is -- like most grand mothers -- kind of old, and she lives in Munich. I would very much like to see her, seeing how she is old and may eventually die (then it will be kind of late). But it is an ordeal going to Munich because the main station is impassable, and returning home afterwards is daunting. Because you know, as the owner of a ticket with seat reservation on the ICE, you are not as important as a clandestine (who, frankly, could also travel on an ordinary train without harming his human rights, it's not like he has a job which he needs to attend to).

Go to Austria? Prepare for a looooong wait on the A3. My parents did that last week, took them 4 hours for the 30 or so kilometers after Passau. Of course you are only allowed to drive slowly on the A3 because people are walking on the highway. For me, it is a federal offense to walk on the highway. For clandestines, it means that the state sets a speed limit for everybody else.

I don't agree with the massive red-tainted propaganda that we get on TV news every day. So they show women in burkha on bicycles who presumably ride a bike for the first time. Everybody goes "Ohhhh how cute" when the woman doesn't respect the way of right and says "In Syria is better, no rules". That's where I almost have to throw up. If it's so much better in Syria, why the fuck does she come here?. Well of course, because in Syria nobody gives you a bicycle for free. But hey, you're not allowed to say that.

What I don't agree with above all else is that more than a third of them comes from so-called "safe countries" (mostly Balkan), but the fact that they cannot possibly be fugitives (except for being fugitive of the law...) doesn't even matter. It still takes 2 years (really? years? got to be kidding!) to decide whether or not to keep them, and then they can object to being sent back, and delay the process indefinitely, even when it is absolutely certain that they have no valid reason to be here. Only 15% of those who are expelled actually go. Really, 15%, you got to be kidding me!

Even people who do very obvious not-poor-fugitive things (such as shoot at border guards, demolish shelters in a mass brawl over the Qaran, aggress school girls, ...) aren't expelled. I'd like to see you cross the Mexican-US border and shoot at guards. I'd like to see you try to rape a school girl in Moscow, and then tell them "Oh, but in my culture, girls who wear short skirts are whores...".

I mean, there may really be a couple of people who fled from a war that they didn't start and that they didn't want. And yes, I am all for giving shelter to these. But sure enough, such people would be grateful that they found a safe place where they get food and everything (and overall a better life than they had at times of peace). Surely, such people wouldn't start a brawl over the Qaran and reduce the whole place to smithereens. Surely, they wouldn't bite the hand that is feeding them and become criminals. But hey, if 0.5% of the population are arrested for 4% of the crimes, that is just normal. It's because there are dysproportionally more young men among them, so that is just normal.

My mother paid for her old age insurance for 40 years. She is now getting 320€ per month, from which she must pay tax and health insurance. It so happens that she won't have to starve, but that's not because her retirement pension is so abundant, but because I happen to be not so particularly poor. Other elderly women who, like her, rebuilt the country after the war might not be that lucky. But of course nobody gives a fuck about them. They're old and in a few years they'll be dead. Who cares.

On the other side, a clandestine gets about the same net amount (they don't pay tax or insurance) of money per week. That's in addition to free shelter, free clothes, and free food, so basically this is just for pleasure and cigarettes and the like.

But hey, I'm a Nazi because I think that's wrong. Excuse me.

Back to topic:

Donald Trump is not all bad. He may be one big dickhead, and most of the stuff that he says is outright... bullshit.

But at least he is for the US citizens, not against them. You may not think of that as something special, but don't take it too much for granted.

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I'll keep the rant short, promised

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can't help being grumpy...

Just need to let some steam out, so my head doesn't explode...

I am a Brit. I would guess most British are not that aware of all the ins and outs of the debates or candidates however I have personally watched one of the republican debates[the latest one] and quite a few video of Trump.

I have to say that I am pretty amazed at the standard of the GOP candidates though, they are awful, you have created some of the best minds and inventions in the world yet this is all you can offer.

I think Trump has some decent points with regard to trade that China and Mexico are ripping the US off however his foreign and most other domestic policies are pretty dangerous.

I would guess that Hilary Clinton will win after watching this.

(long rant)


Do you know all of this to be the truth, or are you a victim of manipulation and misinformation as well?

Well as an American, it seems to me that both the GOP and Dems that we have running are a symptom of a deep condition in the United States. We are becoming further polarized, and I fear that we will get to the point in which a working government will be a pipe dream. Donald Trump is rallying the minds of the deep conservatives that share the same nativist/blame-the-immigrants mentality of the Southern Baptists of old, while Berney Sanders is giving promises to the doe eyed without the ability to promise that his actions will work. I find solace in the fact that most political analysts state that even though Trump is winning, his lead will shrink when his lack of knowledge pertaining to government functionality will reduce the gap between him and other candidates. It's also believed that even though he occupies 35% for republican polls, Dems should still be able to win in the general election. There is also a chance that Romney might come in later on, but I'm not holding my breath. In relation to ridiculous thins, and blatant lies, that has , in my opinion, become a staple of politics in the United States. There are still people I know that believe that Obama is a "Muslim Anti-christ" born to turn America from a "Christian" nation to a Muslim monarchy. I'm hoping that Americans will finally take the time to do the research behind what they learn on the internet before we hit rock bottom.

I'm an American myself, and this, I believe, is the most appropriate description of politics in the US. It's gotten to the point here that if you don't agree with someone on something on every single point as stipulated by philosophy x, then you are automatically an inferior human being of the opposite camp. The US has become extremely polarized, to the point that we are starting to lose sight of the real issues and their solutions. Sanders and Trump are an example of this. Sanders is far to the left and Trump is far to the right. Personally I don't see a single decent candidate as of yet, but that's just me, and in all fairness, it's still too early to pick candidates.

Trump is doing well mainly because he's saying what people (Republican) want to hear. Lower the taxes, kick out the illegal immigrants, build a wall to keep them out, low regulations, etc. If you look at what he's saying, that's basically what he's saying. Some of these things are pretty undoable. Reforming the tax code, for example, is not nearly as easy as he makes it sound. Building a wall on the border is another example. How the hell does someone do it? (As a side note, the wall reminds me of the wall in Game of Thrones...)

Sanders is doing well for pretty much the same reason. He's talking a lot of stuff that sounds great when you hear it, but in reality, isn't really implementable and/or will not really deliver results.

Both camps have an extreme mutual hatred for one another.

I've actually been following everything closely, as I'm using a new app I developed to analyze the personalities of these candidates based on their Tweets. It's really interesting, the results that come out. Some of them are really quite surprising. It's at http://kshatriyasoftworks.wordpress.com if anyone wants to check it out.

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

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Another thing about the wall idea is that we'd need to wall off Canada, and stop our "wet foot dry foot" program in the Carribean as well. 2 topics which not even Trump would dare to address.

I know someone who routinely buys Heroin in New York (Cheap), and hikes to Canada to sell it (Expensive). Then buys Marijuana (Cheap) in Canada, and hikes back/sells it in New York (Expensive). If people wanted to enter the USA illegally, they would just sail to Canada and walk south, since there's basically no protection there.

They could also sail into the carribean, and come up on Florida's shores, and claim they're from Cuba.

I don't understand why we wouldn't just enforce an E-Verify system for all jobs, and aggressively audit people who have incomes without being E-Verified by the IRS.

This way if a company says they pay $100,000 in wages, but their E-Verified employees are only collecting $95,000, there would be an audit done to see where the extra $5,000 is going.

If an illegal alien can't work in the USA, they simply won't go there unless running drugs.

Trump is doing well mainly because he's saying what people (Republican) want to hear. Lower the taxes, kick out the illegal immigrants, build a wall to keep them out, low regulations, etc.

That's what some Republicans want to hear; not all.

The problem is, as everyone mentioned, the two-party system.

Either you get a slice of cake and both kneecaps broken from one party, or you get a slice of pie and a broken spine from the other. Some people prefer cake, some prefer pie.

Either we have big bureaucratic government, that is too unwieldy and focuses its efforts on maintaining its own existence at the expense of the people, or we have huge corporations that exploit the people for their own bottom line.

Do I vote big business or big government? Do I want my kneecaps broken, or my spine?

I don't like that people can illegally cross the border, but I don't mind Mexicans in the country, and am not afraid of them stealing our jobs. Some of the jobs they do, no white person even wants. And I think they ought to be paid a good wage for doing it.

A problem with big business is that the drive to make more and more profit makes products poorer quality, more dangerous, and produced overseas costing us jobs.

A problem with big government is that laws and government forms and procedures are written with a "one size fits all" mentality. They try to fit everyone into a single template, and if you don't fit that template then you are obviously some kind of suspect. Then when enough people are an outcast in that specific narrow way, they add an exception for that narrow case, and repeat ad-infinitum until their forms are overly complicated messes, and you still don't fit perfectly and get hassled for not conforming to their self-delusion of uniformity.

A problem with big business and big government, is the people at the top are insulated from the regular citizens - they are insulated in their affluent private lives, and insulated by the dozen or so levels of management or bureaucracy between themselves and regular citizen.

A problem with America citizens is that people want to do whatever they want to do, and how dare you tell them otherwise - completely self-centered and self-focused and self-serving; and everyone owes them, and if they do something dumb it's always someone else's fault, and they deserve special treatment. Many Americans feel they ought to be hero-worshiped for behaving selfishly and doing what they want to do. It's ridiculous. We have no integrity at a political or individual level, and things will just slowly roll downhill until that changes.

And the liberals and the republicans just get into a shouting match at who can promise the most (and the nature of what they promise), who can prostitute the government and the rest of the country the most, to win the most votes. And often times they lie about what they want to accomplish, what they can accomplish, and they lie about the long-term ramifications of those promises. The Democrats do that alot, the Republicans do that alot - deceit is the native tongue of politics. If you think your political party is different, then you've drunk the kool-aid.

^ This

And people also put the other party into one big bucket. If you are anti immigrant, then you must also be anti abortion, and therefore you must be anti gay marriage, and basically a Westboro Baptist church member.

There is a Dem's post circulating on FB a while back saying something along the lines "If you see fetus as people, then why don't you see immigrants as people"? Here I am like "What?" Since when opposing anti immigrants makes you anti abortion, or vice versa, or pro immigrants make you pro abortion.

Politics love to put all the social issues into one bucket. If you are against raising minimum wage, then you must be pro big corporation, therefore allies to Trump, therefore you must be rich and didn't pay taxes, and have some money in an offshore account, therefore hate the gays, and hate Mexicans.

Da fuq.

^ This

And people also put the other party into one big bucket. If you are anti immigrant, then you must also be anti abortion, and therefore you must be anti gay marriage, and basically a Westboro Baptist church member.

There is a Dem's post circulating on FB a while back saying something along the lines "If you see fetus as people, then why don't you see immigrants as people"? Here I am like "What?" Since when opposing anti immigrants makes you anti abortion, or vice versa, or pro immigrants make you pro abortion.

Politics love to put all the social issues into one bucket. If you are against raising minimum wage, then you must be pro big corporation, therefore allies to Trump, therefore you must be rich and didn't pay taxes, and have some money in an offshore account, therefore hate the gays, and hate Mexicans.

Da fuq.

Exactly this. That's exactly what I thought about the state of the US right now. Polarization taken too far.

Trump is doing well mainly because he's saying what people (Republican) want to hear. Lower the taxes, kick out the illegal immigrants, build a wall to keep them out, low regulations, etc.

That's what some Republicans want to hear; not all.

The problem is, as everyone mentioned, the two-party system.

Either you get a slice of cake and both kneecaps broken from one party, or you get a slice of pie and a broken spine from the other. Some people prefer cake, some prefer pie.

Either we have big bureaucratic government, that is too unwieldy and focuses its efforts on maintaining its own existence at the expense of the people, or we have huge corporations that exploit the people for their own bottom line.

Do I vote big business or big government? Do I want my kneecaps broken, or my spine?

I don't like that people can illegally cross the border, but I don't mind Mexicans in the country, and am not afraid of them stealing our jobs. Some of the jobs they do, no white person even wants. And I think they ought to be paid a good wage for doing it.

A problem with big business is that the drive to make more and more profit makes products poorer quality, more dangerous, and produced overseas costing us jobs.

A problem with big government is that laws and government forms and procedures are written with a "one size fits all" mentality. They try to fit everyone into a single template, and if you don't fit that template then you are obviously some kind of suspect. Then when enough people are an outcast in that specific narrow way, they add an exception for that narrow case, and repeat ad-infinitum until their forms are overly complicated messes, and you still don't fit perfectly and get hassled for not conforming to their self-delusion of uniformity.

A problem with big business and big government, is the people at the top are insulated from the regular citizens - they are insulated in their affluent private lives, and insulated by the dozen or so levels of management or bureaucracy between themselves and regular citizen.

A problem with America citizens is that people want to do whatever they want to do, and how dare you tell them otherwise - completely self-centered and self-focused and self-serving; and everyone owes them, and if they do something dumb it's always someone else's fault, and they deserve special treatment. Many Americans feel they ought to be hero-worshiped for behaving selfishly and doing what they want to do. It's ridiculous. We have no integrity at a political or individual level, and things will just slowly roll downhill until that changes.

And the liberals and the republicans just get into a shouting match at who can promise the most (and the nature of what they promise), who can prostitute the government and the rest of the country the most, to win the most votes. And often times they lie about what they want to accomplish, what they can accomplish, and they lie about the long-term ramifications of those promises. The Democrats do that alot, the Republicans do that alot - deceit is the native tongue of politics. If you think your political party is different, then you've drunk the kool-aid.

To be fair, one can run as an independent for the presidency, although it's really tough to do so. And I also agree with you that not every Republican wants to hear those things. However, I think that the problem lies with some of us forgetting how the US government was supposed to work: compromise. The idea was that people would compromise so that we could get a solution that everyone was happy with and was also something that takes a little of all ideas. The notion of compromise has more or less disappeared from Congress, being replaced instead with "screw you Republican! I'm not supporting this bill of yours!" or "screw you Democrat! I'm not supporting this bill of yours!". That I believe is the core of the problem.

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

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