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Who uses linux?

Started by January 04, 2013 09:51 PM
73 comments, last by NetGnome 11 years, 10 months ago

Every few years I take a look at Linux (I'm due another look soon) but have always to date felt that it lacked a lot of the basic functionality that I take for granted in Windows, and back away from it.

Where Windows has succeeded may historically have been due to dubious business practices, but since the NT kernel-based versions started going mainstream there has also been an element of "worse is better" about it - the harsh truth there is that Windows simply stopped sucking and started being good enough for most serious tasks a long time ago.

What seems to be an unfortunate bad habit of many in Unix-land is that they pick a baseline year, decide for themselves that absolutely nothing has changed since then, and carry on as if that were the truth. In this case it's sometime around 1998/99. So much has happened in Windows evolution and development since then; a Windows 2000 (even!) box is easily capable of uptimes of 5 years or more (in practice Windows updates mean that will never happen, but I've personally seen many such boxes hitting that mark in reasonably controlled/sealed environments), for example, so the old myth of "Windows crashes every coupla days" is blatant horsesh-t.

One other unfortunate thing about Unix-land is a tendency to rip itself apart with infighting. Historically this has been manifested in endianness wars, editor wars, and more recently Gnome vs KDE, distro wars, etc (you also see it in other technologies derived from this heritage, e.g. the evolution of many OpenGL extensions). In Windows culture you tend to get one way of doing things, you may not like it, but it's consistent for everyone and you just get on with getting stuff done.

Ultimately it's not the OS, it's what you do with it that matters.

Direct3D has need of instancing, but we do not. We have plenty of glVertexAttrib calls.

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="mhagain" data-cid="5018649"><p>Every few years I take a look at Linux (I'm due another look soon) but have always to date felt that it lacked a lot of the basic functionality that I take for granted in Windows, and back away from it.<br />&nbsp;<br />Where Windows has succeeded may historically have been due to dubious business practices, but since the NT kernel-based versions started going mainstream there has also been an element of "worse is better" about it - the harsh truth there is that Windows simply stopped sucking and started being good enough for most serious tasks a long time ago.<br />&nbsp;<br />What seems to be an unfortunate bad habit of many in Unix-land is that they pick a baseline year, decide for themselves that absolutely nothing has changed since then, and carry on as if that were the truth.&nbsp; In this case it's sometime around 1998/99.&nbsp; So much has happened in Windows evolution and development since then; a Windows 2000 (even!) box is easily capable of uptimes of 5 years or more (in practice Windows updates mean that will never happen, but I've personally seen many such boxes hitting that mark in reasonably controlled/sealed environments), for example, so the old myth of "Windows crashes every coupla days" is blatant horsesh-t.<br />&nbsp;<br />One other unfortunate thing about Unix-land is a tendency to rip itself apart with infighting.&nbsp; Historically this has been manifested in endianness wars, editor wars, and more recently Gnome vs KDE, distro wars, etc (you also see it in other technologies derived from this heritage, e.g. the evolution of many OpenGL extensions).&nbsp; In Windows culture you tend to get one way of doing things, you may not like it, but it's consistent for everyone and you just get on with getting stuff done.<br />&nbsp;<br />Ultimately it's not the OS, it's what you do with it that matters.</p></blockquote><br />You might want to give the newer Ubuntu versions a try, i didn't think the last release i tried (12.04) to be polished enough for everyday use (too many annoying bugs and things that just didn't work out of the box) but it is doing some interesting things with the UI that are worth keeping an eye on. (The HUD in particular is a feature that for me atleast could make me ditch Mint for Ubuntu if they can get the integration with all key applications working out of the box(it was a bit too limited to get me to put up with all the annoying crap it had at the time), it has the potential to raise productivity dramatically and AFAIK noone else is doing anything similar yet)
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Ubuntu (regardless of how you feel about it) is making linux really worth using day-to-day (not that you couldn't before). Mainly, due to wide-stemmed increases in standardization and community adoption and a remarkable increase in user friendliness as well as flexibility to modify (like any linux distro). With larger companies and communities as well as independants starting to notice the advances in the Ubuntu distro (EA, Valve, even nVidia is beginning to change its posture) and the incredible ease of acquiring/installing/managing software (Software Center/Synaptic in concert through Apt & Launchpad.net) have made it the no-brainer go-to distro for linux converts. While yes, many distros do things similarly, ubuntu follows a well honed KISS (keep it simple stupid) method focused on user accessibility that imho makes is better than alot out there. Love it or hate it, the nascent Unity desktop is actually well done and very useful and I'm very curious about how Wayland will shape up. As far as development goes, things like genie, eclipse, Qt (Qt 5 looks to be absolutely amazing btw), mono/monodevelop, Blender, GIMP, etc give you the tools you need to get stuff done and except for just simple environmental differences work exactly how you would expect them to.

All of these gave me more than enough cause to switch to Linux and leave Windows behind, so I have done so and I do not regret it one bit.

NOTE: edited to clean up garbles

Is it just me or are the posts from Linux users being utterly mangled by the forum software? <_<

I wouldn't be surprised if HL3 was a Steambox exclusive, though...

After launching Portal 2 on the Playstation 3, that seems unlikely.

Is it just me or are the posts from Linux users being utterly mangled by the forum software? dry.png

You'd think that all the Windows supporters would have their posts mangled/sabotaged, seeing that GameDev is presumably hosted on Linux servers. biggrin.png

Is it just me or are the posts from Linux users being utterly mangled by the forum software?

actually, that was posted from a windows machine... the forum's edit button and script is to blame for that one. Or i shoudl say, IE's horrible interpretation of it rolleyes.gif. This one is done from within Chromium (chrome) on Ubuntu...

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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Net Gnome" data-cid="5018745"><p><br /></p><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="phantom" data-cid="5018723"><p>Is it just me or are the posts from Linux users being utterly mangled by the forum software?</p></blockquote> <br /> <br />actually, that was posted from a windows machine... the forum's edit button and script is to blame for that one. Or i shoudl say, IE's horrible interpretation of it <img data-cke-saved-src="http://public.gamedev.net//public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif" src="http://public.gamedev.net//public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif" class="bbc_emoticon" title=":rolleyes:" />. This one is done from within Chromium (chrome) on Ubuntu...<br /> <br /><p><br /></p></blockquote><br />

Edited in some newlines , seems to work without getting mangled. (the first post got mangled though and i'm not bothering to clean it up) oh, and when editing the save changes button doesn't return to the forum, it stays in edit mode so i have to open a new tab to see if my changes got saved (or risk losing the changes if i reload the post)

I post this from Win7 (i only run Linux at work since i love my games too much to give up Windows). i use Chrome and the forum mangles my posts when i reply atleast, it usually works to edit out the mangled crap aftwards though but it's definitly not just IE.
[size="1"]I don't suffer from insanity, I'm enjoying every minute of it.
The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!

[quote name='SimonForsman' timestamp='1357594477' post='5018751']
i use Chrome and the forum mangles my posts when i reply atleast, it usually works to edit out the mangled crap aftwards though so its definitly not just IE.
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ok, then maybe its the script then...

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