Living in space if it was Suppose to happen God would of put man on other planets too.

By that logic, if we were supposed to eat, God would have put the food into our mouths.
If we were supposed to walk, God would move our legs for us.

The whole “God would have done it for us” argument is one of the worst rebuttals there is. Even if you believe in God it only proves my point: We obviously have the ability to do things without having some God do it for us.
#1: If you are so hung up pretending to know God’s plans, then move out of your home and discard your clothes, money, and personal belongings. God didn’t make your house, so it is obviously not His intention that you live in it.
#2: Even if there was a God that line of logic would only be used against you. God does not put food into your mouth for you. You have the ability to do it on your own, and it apparently is not against his will. God didn’t make your house. Humans have the ability to do that for themselves, and it is apparently not against his will. Likewise, we have the ability to travel to Mars, and who are you to say if it is his will or not? As far as I am concerned, ignoring the obvious fact that we have certain physical and mental abilities as well as physical and mental limitations makes it obvious that whatever we were not “meant” to do is defined by what we physically and mentally can’t do. It’s obvious. To ignore that is your way of showing mistrust in God’s plan. Or do you want to openly claim that God is imperfect?


“If God wanted us to…” is historically the worst argument that can be made against anything, after, “Because I said so.”

I wonder nobody sees the fallacy. The main selling point is that it's comparatively "cheap" due to that kind of lottery they do. Seeing how there is no trip home planned... tell me what does the price matter at all? For any "no way to return" trip which is not a con, they could ask any amount of money they want.

People would not mind giving all their money, because there is no returning home, and the money is worth nothing on Mars.

I think you missed something. The astronauts not only do not pay anything, they get paid a salary during the 10 years of training, and it is likely to be quite hefty.
You can spend your money from Mars. When you want something you buy it and it will be sent on the next shuttle, as long as it is within reason as far as payload cargo goes.
Since it televised, they also have an obligation to actually send people to Mars. That will be televised as well.
Additionally, they will send multiple unmanned ships to Mars before the main launch. If they don’t do that, people will back out. If they do do it, it is obviously not a hoax.

I think you should wait until these milestones have been met:
1. First person to land on Mars.
2. First person to return from Mars.
3. First person to die on Mars.
4. First person to commit suicide on Mars.
5. First person to commit murder on Mars.
Then, it will be like home sweet home.

If I wanted it to be like home, I would stay home.
Besides, part of the point is to be a part of history. That means not letting those milestones be given to other people.


L. Spiro

There was a show that I never watched in England that sent people to the moon / some station, or at least convince them that they were on the moon / some station when they were actually still on land, when I read about the selection process involving reality TV I was a bit skeptical.

Eitherway I agree on what you said about being attached to one place, I liked to move a lot to the point where I have moved a total of 25 times in 10 years, sometimes overnight for lolz WITH 3 desktops. Sadly I stay put now because I have a cat but if I didnt have one I probably would be travelling or moving to Mars.

Since it televised, they also have an obligation to actually send people to Mars. That will be televised as well.

You are of course entirely right, I forgot about that.

Additionally, they will send multiple unmanned ships to Mars before the main launch. If they don’t do that, people will back out. If they do do it, it is obviously not a hoax.[/quote]Look, what you don't get is this: You pay them now, and maybe they do some desert reality show in 10 years, if they do it. That is, unless you wait for it to happen and the company goes into liquidation a day later. Incidentially the period of limitation is just about... wait... exactly 10 years.

What are you going to do if they don't select you to go to the desert in 10 years? What are you going to do if in 15 or 20 years you discover the whole show on TV was filmed in a studio, with drama students, or amateur actors? What are you going to do if there is no show at all and you find out the company doesn't exist any more?
Exactly. Nothing. You can go ahead and try to sue them, good luck. Where there is nothing, the King loses his rights.

No laws, no government, no taxes.[/quote]So go ahead and sue them if you aren't sent what you bought. Let's just hope you're not getting too annoying and too expensive, or someone might just turn off the oxygen tap. No laws, you know...

Look, what you don't get is this: You pay them now

Again, for the third time, the astronauts do not pay. The money does not come from the astronauts.
The astronauts get paid and quite a hefty salary.

So, what if it does fizzle out? I take my $200,000-per-year salary and buy that condo I wanted in Tokyo.



L. Spiro

ok... after all this huge discussion... how many posts!!! are we talking about something serious? or everyone is writing a piece of a scifi novel?

No, I wouldn't like to live on mars. But I wouldn't mind if almost everyone else went there

If I wanted it to be like home, I would stay home.
Besides, part of the point is to be a part of history. That means not letting those milestones be given to other people.
L. Spiro

Yeah, I listed some honorable milestones there.

You have this strange notion that if you need something, then there's going to be someone on Earth
to Fedex you a care package every time you need it? Have money, will travel? That's not gonna help
much if you get brain cancer or lose a leg. Contract a disease? Need a quick blood transfusion?
Immediate medical attention will not come to you.

Sorry, but I don't think Mars will be ready for civilians during your entire lifetime.

Why so much hostility? There wasn’t any before.

You have this strange notion that if you need something, then there's going to be someone on Earth
to Fedex you a care package every time you need it?

You have a strange notion that I have a strange notion.
I plan to buy nothing and I am aware of the dangers.

I don’t get why that is hard to get. Who said I thought FedEx was going to ship me anything? Who said I thought I would get medical assistance beyond the basics?
Why are you inferring so much? Why can’t you just understand that I know the situation and I accepted it and am ready to go? People who are willing to live in Mars are invariably misunderstanding the rough-and-tough conditions, the risks of death or serious irreparable damage, and their financial situations?
It has nothing to do with the drive to explore, live in exotic new locations, go down in history, become a founding figure of a new culture, etc.?
Gosh! News to me!

Sorry, but I don't think Mars will be ready for civilians during your entire lifetime.

Not unless non-civilians such as myself make it ready.


L. Spiro

So, is it all about making history then?

I mean, if you wanted, you could actually go to harsh places on Earth too. Now. I'm seriously thinking about living in Siberia for some time (maybe a year or something). I don't feel attached to my "home", actually I never did feel home any time in my life. The reason I'm not there yet, is that I have a girlfriend, and I'm too attached to her.

Setting up a goal that distant (Mars) seems more like an escapement from solving problems here on Earth (maybe the problem is boredom, or not feeling attached to a place). In 10 or 20 years you'll get there. Problem solved.

Okay, you can discover places, walk some places where never anybody walked. In a red desert that is.... a red desert.

Making history? Well, everyone will know your name because, well...you were on Mars and... did something. That's something. For me, history making would be designing that spaceship that takes us there, but probably my name wouldn't get into the history books. Something that is so appealing to many, I don't get why.

I would love to go.

But I'm not sure if I have what it takes. Other than that:

a) I'm a loner
b) I already accept the fact that one day I will die. Maybe tomorrow (accident, perhaps?).
c) As long as I have support and list of things to do (terraforming?), I'll be fine.

Going to Mars is like going to war. You don't count of anything until you are home safely. Even then there are death of ex-soldier due to other thing unrelated to war after they return home. Just like soldier is worry of ambushes and snipers and IED, people knew there are danger all the time.

But like winning a war, there will be first steps and there will be sacrifices.

So, again, I would love to go. But I'm not sure I have what it takes.

Short story, my country back then wanted to send someone to space. So there was a competition. This guy won it. The back up guy is an army person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Muszaphar_Shukor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faiz_Khaleed <-- backup guy

Everyone know of shuttle explosion. But that the risk that comes with it.