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Adding a lightweight from the whiteboard at work recently:
"Though brothers and sisters I have none,
this man's father is my father's son.
Who is this man?"
Alright, I'm going to guess...
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It's himself. He's an only child.
Sentence 2: In the first part, he's referring to himself in the third person. In the second part, he's refering himself in the first person.
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That's the same argument that came up at work, actually. Semantics muddies this one.
The "canon" answer was 'my son' since the difference between using self-reference and third-person reference is supposed to prevent the "himself" condition. It communicates the idea better if "this man" is replaced with "person X", but doesn't flow as lyrically.
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[spoiler] I think using the "this man" in the question "Who is this man?" makes the difference. I'm a little confused though. Let's say we have a = speaker, b = speaker's father, and c = speaker's son.
If self reference:
this man's father == b
my father's son == a
This man's father is my father's son == a=b ???
If not.
this man = x (undefined man)
this man's father = x+ (can't think of a good notation for this)
my father's son = a
x+= a
x = a- = b
Am I misunderstanding the argument?
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Correct, but the first line is important: otherwise it could be the speaker's nephew.
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Ah yea.