Why do you call the thread retarded? It implies you think I'm retarded. I have an opinion, and I shared it. That's 'retarded' for you? And that gets voted up by 3 people?

I don't think you're retarded; I don't even know you.

This thread is retarded though - it's the equivalent of a D&M over whether to say tomahto or tomayto. If that observation gets upvoted, I'm guessing that represents a shared sentiment of facepalm at the discussion, not a slander of your mental faculties.

I do think you're a tad upset - you posted a rant, and then ranted at every reply. You've interpreted every word here as a personal attack on yourself for some reason, and decided that people are getting offended and are name-calling. From reading the thread, no one seems to be offended (except you), no one is name calling (the closest is "[color="#1C2837"]skip acting like a prima donna", but that's just truthful advice in this case).

Straight off the bat you're accusing people of name calling, getting in a huff about having tried to explain yourself. Then saying not only that you're done, but throwing a that's-it-I'm-done-no-more-arguing[color="#1C2837"] on top for good measure. Then telling people to go ahead and "get the last word in[color="#1C2837"]", showing the level of bickering you perceive the thread to be. So it would seem you don't think the thread's too cool either?

[color="#1C2837"]All because you want to rant about the subtle connotations connected to slang vs formal job descriptions?
[color="#1C2837"]Or to suggest that graphic designers should also use the slang term coder to describe themselves?
[color="#1C2837"]Anyway, I'm sure we both agree that the outcome has been a retarded (adjective - characterized by retardation) thread.

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Why do you call the thread retarded? It implies you think I'm retarded. I have an opinion, and I shared it. That's 'retarded' for you? And that gets voted up by 3 people?

I don't think you're retarded; I don't even know you.

This thread is retarded though - it's the equivalent of a D&M over whether to say tomahto or tomayto. If that observation gets upvoted, I'm guessing that represents a shared sentiment of facepalm at the discussion, not a slander of your mental faculties.

I do think you're a tad upset - you posted a rant, and then ranted at every reply. You've interpreted every word here as a personal attack on yourself for some reason, and decided that people are getting offended and are name-calling. From reading the thread, no one seems to be offended (except you), no one is name calling (the closest is "[color="#1C2837"]skip acting like a prima donna", but that's just truthful advice in this case).

Straight off the bat you're accusing people of name calling, getting in a huff about having tried to explain yourself. Then saying not only that you're done, but throwing a that's-it-I'm-done-no-more-arguing[color="#1C2837"] on top for good measure. Then telling people to go ahead and "get the last word in[color="#1C2837"]", showing the level of bickering you perceive the thread to be. So it would seem you don't think the thread's too cool either?

[color="#1C2837"]All because you want to rant about the subtle connotations connected to slang vs formal job descriptions?
[color="#1C2837"]Retarded (adjective - characterized by retardation) thread.
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Yeah, it's gotten a little out of hand. Yeah, I tend to get defensive. Best stop it now i suppose.

And seriously, more name calling?

I don't know whether "skip acting like a prima donna" is 100% equivalent to a german saying which goes "Die beleidigte Leberwurst spielen" ("To act like a offended liverwurst" ), the dictionary proposed it.

It roughly means "don't feel offended by things that weren't intentionally offensive, within some social group". It is usually not used to offend people.

To those of you who didn't just bash me, but actually argued: Thanks for the input, I'm sorry this turned into an argument over what I didn't intend, and if you felt insulted by me, believe me, it wasn't my intention.
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Anyways, believe us that nobody intends to offend you.

More directly dealing with the original topic than all the discussion of programming languages:

Job advertisements contain additional details defining the tasks involved, the language and/or technology choices, or both. When you see a job advert for either a "coder" or a "programmer" you know that some form of interactive content will be produced, whether that be software, an app for mobile or web platforms, or a simple website. The details of the advert will provide further details as to what will be expected.

Back up a second...

Q: What's the difference between a truckie and a heavy vehicle driver? A sparky and an electrician?

Where do they call electricians and truckers sparkies and truckies? If I were a trucker and someone called me a "truckie" I'd have to punch them in the face.

edit: It appears that they do this in Australia, which further indicates to me that it is wrong. They play soccer with their hands down there and their toilets flush backwards.

[quote name='Milcho' timestamp='1297674780' post='4774002']
Why do you call the thread retarded? It implies you think I'm retarded. I have an opinion, and I shared it. That's 'retarded' for you? And that gets voted up by 3 people?

This thread is retarded though - it's the equivalent of a D&M over whether to say tomahto or tomayto.
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especially since everyone knows it's pronounced tomayto...

@OP: In my mind, a coder is a slang for someone that thinks he/she is a leet haxx0r, but really writes unmaintainable shit code that always breaks when you least expect it. Calling someone: "<first name> Coder" means that person likes spaghetti and makes lots of it. A programmer on the other hand, is just that, a person that writes a computer program, be it good or bad.

@Thread:

@All others: Stop acting like an offended Liverwurst!

Or we can open the whole can of worms and discuss what is the difference between a developer, programmer, and coder. And for bonus points, a software engineer!

In any case, I think it's all subjective. I like the term "developer" myself.

a developer, programmer, and coder. And for bonus points, a software engineer!

... and of course there's "hacker", to make the confusion even worse.

Personally, I mostly use the nouns "[software] developer", "[software] programmer", and the verbs "hacking", "tweaking", "coding", "programming" (so basically all of them). I don't put too much meaning in those.

Every time I read that someone is looking for a 'coder' - I think, ok, they're looking for someone to create a php script, or a website, or something on that level

Hey, now. I'm sitting on 100,000 lines of PHP that i wrote myself, and it works great. So you be nice!

Every software domain has it's own set of bugs, problems, gotchas, caveats, pros, and cons, whether it's javascript or ASM. One is not necessarily better than the other. I wouldn't make a game in PHP and i wouldn't write web software in C++.

For what's it's worth, my cards say "software developer". That way i can write PHP and turn around and hack somebody's C++ and still be true to the title

Back up a second...
Where do they call electricians and truckers sparkies and truckies? If I were a trucker and someone called me a "truckie" I'd have to punch them in the face.
edit: It appears that they do this in Australia, which further indicates to me that it is wrong. They play soccer with their hands down there and their toilets flush backwards.
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especially since everyone knows it's pronounced tomayto...

You be nice to our cute slang, mate, or some aussie bikies might show up with their knif-ies.
(no we don't say knifie, but we do call motorcycle-gang members "bikies")

P.S. At least you called it soccer, not football. Take that, continental English!
P.P.S. American football isn't football.