This is the exact kind of thing I'd expect to see when posting in a Linux help forum as a non-Linux user. It's perfectly clear what I mean, but they want to make it absolutely clear that they know more than me.

No. You wrote that a typical linux user will ask you about a build number, but he will not. He expects something like 4.5, but not 4.5.0.1123455b-R1. And you are turning tables with your argumentation ...

My point was more that you claim things about linux, together with the proof that you don't know linux. Applaus.

No. You wrote that a typical linux user will ask you about a build number, but he will not. He expects something like 4.5, but not 4.5.0.1123455b-R1. And you are turning tables with your argumentation ...

My point was more that you claim things about linux, together with the proof that you don't know linux. Applaus.

I explicitly said I don't know linux. I made comments to the effect that Linux users are sanctimonious, arrogant, nit-picking pricks who would rather correct you than help you. Please point me to where in this thread you seek to shatter this illusion because it seems to me you are only strengthening my argument.

I explicitly said I don't know linux. I made comments to the effect that Linux users are sanctimonious, arrogant, nit-picking pricks who would rather correct you than help you. Please point me to where in this thread you seek to shatter this illusion because it seems to me you are only strengthening my argument.

what the hell man? you're assuming a lot based on "linux users"
i'm a linux user, and you've grouped me in there, i don't feel like i'm an arrogant nit picking prick? in fact you are the one that has resorted to degrading people and stereotyping wtf?
i only started using linux approx 2 years ago, and yeah it's not always for everyone, and for me i had a bit of a time adjusting and needed help with more advanced topics.
never have i came across that sorta attitude when asking for help. build numbers, what the hell are you talking about, get a grip, grow up and only spout things you can say for fact.
maybe they ask what version of software you use, but that's a valid question, an error in visual studio 2010 may not be present in 2008. same concept.
the users you are referring to (zealots) are the ones developers and users of linux would prefer to think they don't represent the average linux user because they simply don't.
you get the same with windows zealots. if you had a bad experience with some linux users or linux in general, fine i would accept that can happen, but don't assume all linux , all users and all distros are like what you have experienced.
people who attack linux and linux zealots who argue and talk down to people for the sake of being right or feeling smarter is exactly what gives linux a bad name,
they put people off wanting to try it.

Edit: and back on topic, i like to use a mixture of geany/scite and codeblocks, usually i edit with geany and compile with codeblocks, not exactly handwriting make files yet lol

I really don't want to further derail, hence I keep it short:

I made comments to the effect that Linux users are sanctimonious, arrogant, nit-picking pricks who would rather correct you than help you.

This. It is not true. As simple as is. "Typical linux users" is not what you understand them to be, as said some times in this thread, what you declare typical linux users (arrogant nit-pricks) are only zealots as present on Windows and MacOS and Amiga and BeOS, too. Luckily, all those zealots are in the minority, and sooner or later they know better. Typical linux users know that. Now, please stop pegging ppl based on their OS. I don't do either.

I have to agree with phresnel on that last point. When I was in my gentoo phase, there was a strong RTFM attitude in the community, but if you've done your research and still ran into issues, they were quite helpful. I don't think it's all that dissimilar from GDNet actually. If you ask for help making a hockey MMO with html and variables or you build giant space tubes between planets, you're going to get flak. If you ask a well thought out question, especially with references to how you have already tried to solve the problem yourself, you will get helpful answers.

I have to agree with phresnel on that last point. When I was in my gentoo phase, there was a strong RTFM attitude in the community, but if you've done your research and still ran into issues, they were quite helpful

That's the whole point. Regular PC users and a RTFM culture don't mix. Regular users don't know what's going on, and need people who are patient and won't tell them to RTFM because they don't even know what "the manual" is.

Unlike prior sparring with phresnal, this is a serious point.

That's the whole point. Regular PC users and a RTFM culture don't mix. Regular users don't know what's going on, and need people who are patient and won't tell them to RTFM because they don't even know what "the manual" is.

Unlike prior sparring with phresnal, this is a serious point.

Note that Gentoo is not for typical Linux users, but advanced ones. As you would expect RTFM on a forum about quantum physics when you ask for newtonian physics, one has to expect RTFM when asking about Linux basics on an advanced forum. If you don't want RTFM answers, then don't post on advanced forums (nevermind whether you are on Linux or Windows); Ubuntu, btw, a very casual Linux flavour, has policies on being RTFM-free.

I use CodeBlocks. I'm thinking of trying QT IDE now. In my experience, a large majority of open source developers are very nice people who work well together making open source software, teaching new contributors, helping out users of their libraries, and the like. The code is comparable to commercial; if we're to speak of open source projects of any note, I would say, often better documented overall and clearer, as to minimize the learning curve for new contributors. It is easy to bash open source code for the auditorium of people majority of whom have never seen what real closed source code looks like after years of development, or had to maintain it.

I would say that large majority of Linux/ other Unix (OSX?) developers are a lot nicer than author of this:
"A large majority of Unix developers definitely are in that &quot;lone hacker&quot; group. And these are unbearable in commercial software development.&quot;<br /> <br /> Seeing it as certain trolling moderator, an &#39;expert&#39; by forum majority vote, is still around, and still driving any such discussion entirely off topic by making insulting statements towards groups of people for amusement of the forum majority (forum majority here i&#39;d guess are not professional programmers yet, just learning / doing personal projects, and that&#39;s totally fine)… the classic trolling-by-stereotyping tactic - somehow i don&#39;t feel like returning. When the moderator does that, it sends a powerful message to other people that this sort of behaviour is acceptable. I am sure that any online forum is better off without such behaviour. Note, he&#39;s not talking about software, or anything technical, he&#39;s sharing his supposedly important view on the people using it - then when they get personal, he will play the offended party - standard forum diva trolling, deliberately trying to piss people off but look good himself. It is always pure flaming and flame-baiting.<br /> edit: Did read this thread some more. The only remotely technical offtopic: 2 years old FUD about 2.6.25, proprietary drivers, &quot;predictions&quot; of doom. Well guess what, it&#39;s 2 years past 2.6.25, I&#39;m using kernel 2.6.36, closed source drivers are doing fine, especially the USB drivers, running safely in the userspace. (Nearly all USB device drivers were already) NVidia drivers are doing just fine as well.