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Do you care what other people think of you?

Started by September 17, 2010 11:27 PM
30 comments, last by zyrolasting 14 years, 1 month ago
Quote: Original post by zyrolasting
Even though I am more sensitive than I like to be, I am also known to lack empathy. (A very awkward combination!) People have told me that I'm too intense (I speak quickly and loudly, and I can suck a topic dry) Folks have been uncomfortable around me because of this, and I get the feeling that even common sayings from my mouth sound somehow harsh. I have a lot of trouble seeing why I should change that considering I still think I have a healthy social life overall.


A professor at the podium making a veiled threat of violence against a student in response to a request for clarification sounds very unusual to me. I'm surprised the other students didn't rally to your side and join with you to report this professor to the dean or the head of his department or whomever handles such complaints at your school. Your remarks that I quoted here, however, suggest that your fellow students may also feel tested by your approach to your studies. It sounds like they are no longer willing to tolerate your style and thus have withdrawn their sympathy from you regarding the conflict with your professor. I don't have an opinion whether you should apologize or not, but I think it would benefit you to direct some of your intensity towards improving your diplomatic skills. If your university has counselors available to students, perhaps a consultation with one of them is in order?
"I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes." - the Laughing Man
Quote: Your remarks that I quoted here, however, suggest that your fellow students may also feel tested by your approach to your studies. It sounds like they are no longer willing to tolerate your style and thus have withdrawn their sympathy from you regarding the conflict with your professor.


That's correct. You summed it up a lot better than I did.

Quote: I think it would benefit you to direct some of your intensity towards improving your diplomatic skills


It certainly seems that way, but I continue to question how much I should commit myself to appeasing the crowd. As an existentialist, this bothers me. At the same time, my goal to make something of myself includes dealing with the herd, so I thus enter an internal conflict of how much I should try and relate to it. The thread's title reflects this.

Hearing other views on just how intimidating I was to the herd came up as a discussion of if I should apologize for contributing to bad communication, regardless of what was actually said. What made the conflict all the more frustrating was that everyone was in agreement on intentions (We were all there to learn), but my words (and style, as you put it) did not appear to reflect that.

I then bring myself to ask "why should I care?", should my intentions be as harmless as I claim them to be.
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Why is it a big deal to be a bit more tact?
I don't see any internal conflict in not being an asshole but telling what you think.

Maybe I misunderstood something?
Nope, you're fine. I'm not big on tact, but I'll train myself to use it if it makes for a more successful career.

I DO think I am telling people exactly what I think, and I do not think I'm being rude about it. However, I am told that I am. I just do not see why, hence my doubt if I should even change anything. (Is it them, or is it me?)

The family attributes it to my autism (trait being lack of empathy), but I think it's just more of something I need to get over.
Quote: Original post by zyrolasting
The family attributes it to my autism (trait being lack of empathy), but I think it's just more of something I need to get over.


This may be a source of problems with your peers, if true (ie. you've been diagnosed with it and aren't self-diagnosing/being "diagnosed" by your parents). Most people notice those who are "funny" and often respond to them negatively and with prejudice, though they may not be aware of exactly why.

Quote: I pressed my request.


No. Don't do this in class. Only ever ask for clarification once on a particular subject, and at most three times in one lecture. Anything more makes you look like an idiot and it reflects badly on the teacher, too. Making yourself look like an idiot in this way not only makes you look like an idiot, but it does so in a way that is decidedly not endearing to the other students in the lecture. Take it up in private with him if you genuinely do not understand/do not believe/have a gripe with a significant segment of the lecture. In fact, while we're on the subject if you have any opinion that runs directly counter to something a prof has said, take it up with them in private.

Doing otherwise wastes valuable lecture time that the other students could be using to learn and progress in the course. If you're asking your prof (or anyone, really) to rephrase a significant part of the lecture, that is akin to saying, "I don't understand and not only have I not taken the time to think about what you've just said, but I also don't want to, so spoonfeed me please." I don't think I have to say that beyond first-year, university != spoonfeeding and shouldn't be.

Quote: I DO think I am telling people exactly what I think,


This is probably not a good idea to do outside of the internet. In fact, I'd say half the time it's an outright bad idea. I do admit that I tend to call it like I see it, but I usually avoid being blunt about it even on the internet.

Quote: appeasing the crowd...
Hearing other views on just how intimidating I was to the herd


This is a bad way of thinking. It leads to arrogance (in fact, it IS arrogance) and pretentiousness, and this will almost certainly lead to more friction with others. You are not above "the herd"; as a point of fact, at least during a lecture, you are a part of the herd. We all are.

All of the above aside, asking excessively for clarification can get really, really annoying to the other students. I remember there being a student in one (actually, several) first-year and second-year computer science classes who was always asking what I thought were decidedly unintelligent questions. Now, this is not a bad thing in and of itself, since it's understandable that some people don't have the programming experience to make certain inferences from the material presented, but what was annoying about this guy was that he was constantly asking them, about half the things in the course, over and over again. It was like he was "deaf in one ear", intellectually speaking. I saw him again in a physics class. I don't know about the other students, but I certainly found him annoying after a little while. For comparison, just going by what I've seen of the others specifically in my degree (CPSC), we tend to not ask questions in lecture unless we have a specific point to ask about.
Quote: No. Don't do this in class.


Got it. It won't be a big deal to adjust to see the prof one on one.

Quote: You are not above "the herd"


Never said I was. [confused]
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Quote: Original post by zyrolasting
Quote: You are not above "the herd"


Never said I was. [confused]


No, you didn't, but it was the wording - the fact that you used "the herd" in the first place indicates to me (by way of experience personal and observational) that you possess a particular mindset that tends to include such viewpoints. If you don't believe that (or you do but refuse to believe that you believe), then I apologize for my reading too much into your phrasing. By the way, if I read such things into your phrasing, other people probably will too, and they will think less of you for it. That was the Xanatos gambit in my post - if you did think you were above "the herd", I got to chastise you a little for it in hopes that you might improve. If you didn't, I get to show you why phrasing matters (and both of us win either way). [wink]

My overall point is: wording and phrasing make a huge difference in the way people perceive you. The difference between rudeness and politeness is often entirely the way an opinion is phrased.
No need to apologize. [smile]

Quote: he difference between rudeness and politeness is often entirely the way an opinion is phrased.


True, but I have yet to grasp that well enough to expand my social circle. What kept me from practicing tact was the notion that "No matter how I phrase X, I'm still saying X".

I love being concise for the sake of efficiency, although it is unfortunate that it is often considered inappropriate when I do it. [sad]

I need a compromise.
Quote: Original post by zyrolasting
So I figured "I know. I'll ask GameDev.net. They'll know what to do!"
Hmm, basing your opinion on what us maladjusted, arrogant, empathetically challenged people have to say sounds like a one-way ticket to disaster [wink]

Quote: Original post by zyrolasting
Quote: I think it would benefit you to direct some of your intensity towards improving your diplomatic skills

It certainly seems that way, but I continue to question how much I should commit myself to appeasing the crowd.


What leads you to think of diplomacy as appeasement?

Quote: Original post by zyrolasting
As an existentialist, this bothers me. At the same time, my goal to make something of myself includes dealing with the herd, so I thus enter an internal conflict of how much I should try and relate to it. The thread's title reflects this.


Go easy with the Sartre! What else can one do in the face of absurdity but laugh? Perhaps you might take a job next summer tending sheep?

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I then bring myself to ask "why should I care?", should my intentions be as harmless as I claim them to be.


Out of my brain on the five fifteen.

Is it authentic to issue misleading claims about your intentions?

Girls of fifteenSexually knowingThe ushers are sniffingEau-de-cologningThe seats are seductiveCelibate sittingPretty girls diggingPrettier women....



"I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes." - the Laughing Man

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