I do like the way people ignore the alternative of officials instead of technology.

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It is incredibly obvious that there needs to be something done. You can pretend its not obvious by covering your eyes and not seeing the problems

Was it incredibly obvious in '66 that something needed to be done? I do see the problems and I would prefer to use officials or just leave it alone.

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We wouldn't be discussing the issue if the need wasn't obvious. If it's not obvious to you, then dare I say you might be oblivious?

No we would not be discussing this unless the call to bring technology was brought up in this thread and questioning FIFA's stance and them looking again at the situation. There is nothing obvious about needing GLT unlike your earlier comment

Quote: Goal line technology is an no brainer

Quote: The levels that play the game are already separated, so your argument is spurious.

How? Please do tell. You can state all you want that GLT will not separate the different levels of the game but that is just nonsense.

Quote: In 2007, "high-speed multi-camera technology" was installed at Wimbledon [1]. Since that time has it been installed on every court in England? If not, has that separation been bad for British tennis? I very much doubt it.

This replaced technology that was being used since 1980 and which started the slippery slope. I feel it has effected tennis as a player is allowed to challenge decisions which I know people have called for in football inside this very thread. To implement something like that would cause a major rewrite of football laws and mindset. The refs decision in final on the field and can not be questioned.

Quote: Botched calls changed the outcome of games. That's simply unacceptable at the highest levels of play.

May I ask how long you have been watching football.

So, 10mins of the game left and I have to ask; what happened Argentina? what happened?

Honestly wasn't expecting a 3-0 Germany win out of this but they have just looked so open at the back and the german players have been almost strolling past..

8mins left now..

Germany v Netherlands for the final look more likely, just a matter of can Germany get past (more than likely imo) Spain..

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So... 4-0... wut?

I think Germany could win this you know...

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So, 10mins of the game left and I have to ask; what happened Argentina? what happened?

Germany played better. That's what happened. The difference in goals was because Argentina played all or nothing from the second half.

*puts hands in pockets, kicks a can*

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There's not much need for an argument when you've got several bad calls during the cup to point to as reasons in favor of GLT. Botched calls changed the outcome of games. That's simply unacceptable at the highest levels of play.

I've missed something... what's the gay/lesbian/transgender community got to do with the world cup?

Rainbow jubalanis for everyone!!!

GLT stands for "Goal Line Technology"

Muller misses next match on a bad call, but oh well, he shouldn't have had his first yellow. Germany looked amazing. I think Muller is definitely playing remarkable and Germany will miss him, but Klose and Schweinsteiger are coming alive again :)

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I do like the way people ignore the alternative of officials instead of technology.

Considering the lack of trust in officials, the alternative of more officials makes very little sense. One explanation of FIFA's reluctance so far to technological solution is that FIFA likes capricious decision making that is vulnerable to error because that makes it easier for corrupt officials to fix the outcome of games or at least to make it easier to for FIFA to dismiss such allegations by pointing to the capriciousness of officiating as an alternative explanation.

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It is incredibly obvious that there needs to be something done. You can pretend its not obvious by covering your eyes and not seeing the problems

Was it incredibly obvious in '66 that something needed to be done? I do see the problems and I would prefer to use officials or just leave it alone.

We're not talking about 1966. We're talking about 2014. The technology wasn't available in '66, it is today.

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We wouldn't be discussing the issue if the need wasn't obvious. If it's not obvious to you, then dare I say you might be oblivious?

No we would not be discussing this unless the call to bring technology was brought up in this thread and questioning FIFA's stance and them looking again at the situation. There is nothing obvious about needing GLT unlike your earlier comment

When I suggest you were oblivious earlier I was making a joke, now I'm not.

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Quote: The levels that play the game are already separated, so your argument is spurious.

How? Please do tell. You can state all you want that GLT will not separate the different levels of the game but that is just nonsense.

Multi-billion dollar teams, multi-million dollar players, larger stadiums, ... relegation and the entire multt-tier league structure.

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Quote: In 2007, "high-speed multi-camera technology" was installed at Wimbledon [1]. Since that time has it been installed on every court in England? If not, has that separation been bad for British tennis? I very much doubt it.

This replaced technology that was being used since 1980 and which started the slippery slope. I feel it has effected tennis as a player is allowed to challenge decisions which I know people have called for in football inside this very thread. To implement something like that would cause a major rewrite of football laws and mindset.

Has the technology disrupted play down the line from the pros? Has the introduction of the technology at the professional level forced it's introduction down the line to the amateur level? Has the introduction of the technology forced a major rewrite of the rules of tennis?

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The refs decision in final on the field and can not be questioned.

Authority rules supreme?

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Quote: Botched calls changed the outcome of games. That's simply unacceptable at the highest levels of play.

May I ask how long you have been watching football.

It's only recently become widely available in English in the USA, so since 2004 give or take. I played in my youth and in high school and I was buddies with the guys on the team in college in the late 1980's, so I've been around the sport for a long time.

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I do like the way people ignore the alternative of officials instead of technology.

Considering the lack of trust in officials, the alternative of more officials makes very little sense. One explanation of FIFA's reluctance so far to technological solution is that FIFA likes capricious decision making that is vulnerable to error because that makes it easier for corrupt officials to fix the outcome of games or at least to make it easier to for FIFA to dismiss such allegations by pointing to the capriciousness of officiating as an alternative explanation.

WTF I knew I should have stopped reading a few pages back. You must be correct with all your football knowledge which includes being "buddies with the guys on the team".

Quote: Multi-billion dollar teams, multi-million dollar players, larger stadiums, ...

I think you need to go away and think about the definitions of professional and amateur.

Quote: relegation and the entire multt-tier league structure.

Quote: Authority rules supreme?

Again you are showing your lack of knowledge in the game.

@dmail: Your objection seems to be based on the notion that poorer teams, amateurs and so forth can't afford goal line technology. It's a ridiculous position; there's tons of stuff used in professional games that amateurs or even poorer teams can't afford, including referees.


I'm impressed by Germany's win over Argentina. I see a Germany-Netherlands final, which should be very, very interesting. I see Germany winning it all now.

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I do like the way people ignore the alternative of officials instead of technology.

Considering the lack of trust in officials, the alternative of more officials makes very little sense. One explanation of FIFA's reluctance so far to technological solution is that FIFA likes capricious decision making that is vulnerable to error because that makes it easier for corrupt officials to fix the outcome of games or at least to make it easier to for FIFA to dismiss such allegations by pointing to the capriciousness of officiating as an alternative explanation.

WTF I knew I should have stopped reading a few pages back. You must be correct with all your football knowledge which includes being "buddies with the guys on the team".

And likewise, after you said referees were like the Pope, infallible, I should have realized that you would respond that way to my honest answer.

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Quote: Multi-billion dollar teams, multi-million dollar players, larger stadiums, ...

I think you need to go away and think about the definitions of professional and amateur.

That's a non answer. I was going to say that surveillance is required everywhere in England except at the goal line, but even then, they put a camera into the corner of the net! I forgot the biggest separation, and the one at the heart of the matter, the pro games are televised. So, for your argument to hold any water, the pro games would have to be taken off the air. The separation is obvious and preexists any GLT changes.

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Quote: relegation and the entire multt-tier league structure.

Quote: Authority rules supreme?

Again you are showing your lack of knowledge in the game.

Are you showing your snobbery? So far you're only arguing from authority, but just like with the Church, a few bad officials ruin it for all the good ones. FIFA needs to restore confidence in it's officiating. GLT is one way it can do that.

Hey so when I play soccer I play with my friends with cones as goals, cones as corner markers, and an old ball. We never use refs, nor jerseys (shirts and skins). I live in the US, a good city, and am not poor. Basically, I live in a great place to play soccer and yet there are huge differences between my level (amateur) and professionals. When I watch the world cup I expect the teams to consist of the best players from that country, along with the best officiating. I expect problems and drama when there are no refs, or when the ref is just some parent trying to help a local league. I DO NOT expect this much drama/problems with the most watched sporting event ever.