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Netbooks are too small and too slow yet still require all the maintenance of a regular laptop,

Really? I find my EeePC 900 to be the perfect size, and has plenty of speed for the things it does. Am I going to play high end games on it? no.

But it is perfect for writing and communications. And it is great to carry it around the house, or toss it in a bag and take it on the go. Far nicer than lugging around a 14-15 inch laptop, and a hell of a lot nicer than some of those 17 inch monsters some people use.

Okay, perhaps I generalised somewhat there. I never suggested that one might want to play the very latest 3D AAA blockbusters on it; that would be ludicrous indeed.

What I actually meant was that the regular netbooks still require things like antivirus, firewalls, all your files and applications (e.g. I know people running Office Ultimate 2007 on netbooks and storing half their lives on them) defragging if necessary and, often, these machines may be lacking in RAM and processing power to cover all these bases adequately.

Does your EeePC 900 still run the customised Linux or did you hose it and install something else? I know people with feet in both camps and the Linux experience does seem to be an improvement in terms of performance and overall tidiness, even though a full Linux desktop environment was available if you knew how to get to it.

The iPad has none of these concerns and iWork is a suitable substitute for light office work on the move or when you're away from your desk. I can see exactly what Steve is getting at, but I would be wary of paying over the odds for a device which doesn't offer me the flexibility straight out of the box.

I'm currently running an old version of Ubuntu on this. 900mhz and a gig of ram. It has the odd slow down for a few seconds now and then, but nothing that really hurts it as far as normal computer use goes for me. It isn't a lot of space to work with, I only have a 16 gig version, but it works great as long as I don't try to use it for massive video and music libraries.

Some of the arguments I've found while reading through this has been quite absurd, here's proper reasoning for such:

iPad vs. iPhone: It's very apparent why you would want an iPad to do business related, or even game related things on instead of an iPhone - the screen is more...useful? Comparing these two things is like asking me why I don't use a 10inch screen instead of my 42inch one I have, they both do the same thing right? They both display a picture? This reasoning really makes me laugh :)

Having both is that much better, my iPhone is everywhere I go and haven't found a better phone yet. The ability to sync via MobileMe and keep all the information that I've worked on, on my iPad and have the information available on my iPhone and vice-versa is quite nice. Things such as emails, contacts, applications, and music for starters. While this can be done with netbooks, it can't be done in one click and living a busy schedule, this can make all the difference.

iPad vs. Netbook: While netbooks are portable enough to stick inside a backpack, etc. So are iPad's...but again like I said you don't have to carry a mouse and power cord around with the iPad. It also lets use of 3G, and while you might be saying...but but...I HAVE WIRELESS, well that's not always true when travelling. Much like with the experience I had on my iPhone, 3G coverage is amazing in my big city while wireless is subpar and non-existant in certain parts. Being able to immediately receive emails, GPS, reference material, etc on my iPad from virtually anywhere I live is a lot better than having to find a hotspot somewhere and booting up my Netbook that takes 5 hours and change to bootup because all of them use 1-2gb of RAM with Vista or 7 running(I know there are exceptions, the higher end netbooks, but this is just laughable in itself).

EDIT: By the way, the money issue isn't an issue to some, or most that live busy enough lives with this sort of information coming through that is needed to be accessed instantiously. If you don't have the money to fork over $499 on a portable device, then you probably don't have the lifestyle or need for such and therefore your opinions on the usefullness of such an item is skewed in the first place.

Quote: Original post by Christopher Loyd
Some of the arguments I've found while reading through this has been quite absurd, here's proper reasoning for such:

iPad vs. iPhone: It's very apparent why you would want an iPad to do business related, or even game related things on instead of an iPhone - the screen is more...useful? Comparing these two things is like asking me why I don't use a 10inch screen instead of my 42inch one I have, they both do the same thing right? They both display a picture? This reasoning really makes me laugh :)

Having both is that much better, my iPhone is everywhere I go and haven't found a better phone yet. The ability to sync via MobileMe and keep all the information that I've worked on, on my iPad and have the information available on my iPhone and vice-versa is quite nice. Things such as emails, contacts, applications, and music for starters. While this can be done with netbooks, it can't be done in one click and living a busy schedule, this can make all the difference.

iPad vs. Netbook: While netbooks are portable enough to stick inside a backpack, etc. So are iPad's...but again like I said you don't have to carry a mouse and power cord around with the iPad. It also lets use of 3G, and while you might be saying...but but...I HAVE WIRELESS, well that's not always true when travelling. Much like with the experience I had on my iPhone, 3G coverage is amazing in my big city while wireless is subpar and non-existant in certain parts. Being able to immediately receive emails, GPS, reference material, etc on my iPad from virtually anywhere I live is a lot better than having to find a hotspot somewhere and booting up my Netbook that takes 5 hours and change to bootup because all of them use 1-2gb of RAM with Vista or 7 running(I know there are exceptions, the higher end netbooks, but this is just laughable in itself).

EDIT: By the way, the money issue isn't an issue to some, or most that live busy enough lives with this sort of information coming through that is needed to be accessed instantiously. If you don't have the money to fork over $499 on a portable device, then you probably don't have the lifestyle or need for such and therefore your opinions on the usefullness of such an item is skewed in the first place.

This post is full of the smug elitism I've come to expect from Apple fans; "I'm really important and have an extremely busy life; plebeians like you could not possibly understand the ingenuity of Apple's products!" And of course, the "well, Apple's exclusive products aren't for poor people, so your opinion is invalid."

Sure, a bigger screen is better for "business-related" things. So is a keyboard. To be quite frank, a 10" screen low-res screen doesn't make the cut for any serious productive use, especially not when it's too big to be comfortably carried around. Yous arguments, apart from the ones based in pure smugness, seem to center around either "it's smaller than a netbook, so it's better" or "it's bigger than an iPhone so it's better," depending on what criticism you're responding to. This is why the iPad fails; it's too big to be really portable, and too small to be really useful. You don't need to carry around a mouse and a power cord for a good netbook, and while I'm not sure about the rest of the world, in Sweden everyone and their grandmother are using 3G dongles with their laptop to obtain your coveted "ZOMG INTERNETS EVARYWHERE."

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Quote: Original post by Christopher Loyd
Some of the arguments I've found while reading through this has been quite absurd, here's proper reasoning for such:

iPad vs. iPhone: It's very apparent why you would want an iPad to do business related, or even game related things on instead of an iPhone - the screen is more...useful? Comparing these two things is like asking me why I don't use a 10inch screen instead of my 42inch one I have, they both do the same thing right? They both display a picture? This reasoning really makes me laugh :)

Having both is that much better, my iPhone is everywhere I go and haven't found a better phone yet. The ability to sync via MobileMe and keep all the information that I've worked on, on my iPad and have the information available on my iPhone and vice-versa is quite nice. Things such as emails, contacts, applications, and music for starters. While this can be done with netbooks, it can't be done in one click and living a busy schedule, this can make all the difference.

iPad vs. Netbook: While netbooks are portable enough to stick inside a backpack, etc. So are iPad's...but again like I said you don't have to carry a mouse and power cord around with the iPad. It also lets use of 3G, and while you might be saying...but but...I HAVE WIRELESS, well that's not always true when travelling. Much like with the experience I had on my iPhone, 3G coverage is amazing in my big city while wireless is subpar and non-existant in certain parts. Being able to immediately receive emails, GPS, reference material, etc on my iPad from virtually anywhere I live is a lot better than having to find a hotspot somewhere and booting up my Netbook that takes 5 hours and change to bootup because all of them use 1-2gb of RAM with Vista or 7 running(I know there are exceptions, the higher end netbooks, but this is just laughable in itself).

EDIT: By the way, the money issue isn't an issue to some, or most that live busy enough lives with this sort of information coming through that is needed to be accessed instantiously. If you don't have the money to fork over $499 on a portable device, then you probably don't have the lifestyle or need for such and therefore your opinions on the usefullness of such an item is skewed in the first place.

This post is full of the smug elitism I've come to expect from Apple fans; "I'm really important and have an extremely busy life; plebeians like you could not possibly understand the ingenuity of Apple's products!" And of course, the "well, Apple's exclusive products aren't for poor people, so your opinion is invalid."

Sure, a bigger screen is better for "business-related" things. So is a keyboard. To be quite frank, a 10" screen low-res screen doesn't make the cut for any serious productive use, especially not when it's too big to be comfortably carried around. Yous arguments, apart from the ones based in pure smugness, seem to center around either "it's smaller than a netbook, so it's better" or "it's bigger than an iPhone so it's better," depending on what criticism you're responding to. This is why the iPad fails; it's too big to be really portable, and too small to be really useful. You don't need to carry around a mouse and a power cord for a good netbook, and while I'm not sure about the rest of the world, in Sweden everyone and their grandmother are using 3G dongles with their laptop to obtain your coveted "ZOMG INTERNETS EVARYWHERE."

From what experience are you referring to as to your opinions of it being to big to carry around, and too small to be productive? It's now been on a guntruck convoy mission as I'm sitting in Turkey currently and was a great carry, and something I can continue to (get on the internet! yay) and work on my draft project. I'd say THAT is experience! We'll see if my iPad, just like my iPhone, will make the rest of this 3rd world experience...my bets are it will.

P.S. - the low-rez screen doesn't really make a difference since every application is made specifically for that device. Proper knowledge would make the difference in this case ;) The HD screen is amazing though, visually stunning and easy to work on

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Some of the arguments I've found while reading through this has been quite absurd, here's proper reasoning for such:

Since when did "absurd" have the definition "anything that I, Christopher Loyd, disagree with"? Dear God, that's some dictionary you've got a hold of - is it the iPad default provided by Steve Jobs? [grin]

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iPad vs. iPhone: It's very apparent why you would want an iPad to do business related, or even game related things on instead of an iPhone - the screen is more...useful? Comparing these two things is like asking me why I don't use a 10inch screen instead of my 42inch one I have, they both do the same thing right? They both display a picture? This reasoning really makes me laugh :)

If this makes you laugh, then you're a nerd.

Despite this, your reasoning makes me laugh. The 42" is designed to be static, who carries a 42" display in their pocket? The 10" is perfect for when you're out and about, or need the versatility and, believe it or not, I can cope with the reduced screen size and quite frankly couldn't care two roasted fucks provided the functionality is identical.

The iPad isn't useful for that very reason - it's too clunky and awkward regardless of how you use it. The iPhone can be shoved into a pocket and used everywhere for near enough the same purposes, and offers the same connectivity. Sure, it doesn't have iBooks or iWork but who would want to use those on a tablet anyway? I'd sooner have a small MacBook for things like that.

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iPad vs. Netbook: While netbooks are portable enough to stick inside a backpack, etc. So are iPad's...but again like I said you don't have to carry a mouse and power cord around with the iPad.

Nope, no mouse and powercord required. Just your MacBook for syncing and charging the damned thing as well as your proprietary connectors and your keyboard attachment if you want to actually get serious use out of the thing.

Netbooks also have trackpads like conventional laptops. No mouse required either.

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It also lets use of 3G, and while you might be saying...but but...I HAVE WIRELESS, well that's not always true when travelling. Much like with the experience I had on my iPhone, 3G coverage is amazing in my big city while wireless is subpar and non-existant in certain parts. Being able to immediately receive emails, GPS, reference material, etc on my iPad from virtually anywhere I live is a lot better than having to find a hotspot somewhere and booting up my Netbook that takes 5 hours and change to bootup because all of them use 1-2gb of RAM with Vista or 7 running(I know there are exceptions, the higher end netbooks, but this is just laughable in itself).

You sound like one of those "I NEEDZ TEH INTARWEBS ALL OVER TEH WORLD SO I DONTS GET THE SHAKES FROM NOT READING MY EMAIL ZOMG" people. Unless you're some kind of high-flying corporate executive who needs to have his finger on the button 700 hours a day, then there is very little need to be permanently connected like that. I actually disapprove of it for this reason; it's unnecessary and I don't believe it has changed our lives for the better. There's nothing I hate more than somebody taking photos on a camera phone at a party and uploading them to the likes of Facebook instantly. In fact, before Facebook started up, I didn't know anyone who took photos at parties at all.

We survived perfectly well without all of this stuff and most middle aged and elderly people I know still do. Just because 3G is available isn't an excuse to be permanently glued to it.

Oh, nearly forgot - I can get a 3G antenna for my netbook. Cheaper than the iPad and using the same tariff. Foiled, oh dear.

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If you don't have the money to fork over $499 on a portable device, then you probably don't have the lifestyle or need for such and therefore your opinions on the usefullness of such an item is skewed in the first place.

Seriously, how dare you? I do have "$499" but I simply don't want the thing. Who are you to tell me that my opinions don't matter? You sound like you're trying to justify blowing your money on an albatross and lashing out at those who disagree with you.

How pathetic.

-ukdeveloper

Sent from my netbook.

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If this makes you laugh, then you're a nerd.

We're sitting arguing about the functionality of an iPad on a game development forum, welcome to real life, you're a nerd. lol

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Despite this, your reasoning makes me laugh. The 42" is designed to be static, who carries a 42" display in their pocket? The 10" is perfect for when you're out and about, or need the versatility and, believe it or not, I can cope with the reduced screen size and quite frankly couldn't care two roasted fucks provided the functionality is identical.

Umm, this is the reasoning I was getting at, way to read between the lines ;) and my mention of absurd opinions.

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The iPad isn't useful for that very reason - it's too clunky and awkward regardless of how you use it. The iPhone can be shoved into a pocket and used everywhere for near enough the same purposes, and offers the same connectivity. Sure, it doesn't have iBooks or iWork but who would want to use those on a tablet anyway? I'd sooner have a small MacBook for things like that.

The iPad is in no way any more clunkier than a Netbook or Laptop, in fact it's about the same as any tablet PC, or drawing tablet that you'd find artists carrying around the make digital sketches with. Another cry baby excuse is what it seems :)

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Nope, no mouse and powercord required. Just your MacBook for syncing and charging the damned thing as well as your proprietary connectors and your keyboard attachment if you want to actually get serious use out of the thing.

Netbooks also have trackpads like conventional laptops. No mouse required either.

Except that the battery power on most laptops or netbooks when seriously doing work is absolute crap, while the battery power on the iPad is actually really long compared to that of the iPhone.

Trackpads....I'd much rather just carry a small mouse, that's how effective they are. Speaking of awkward things, these things makes my hands cramp at about 1000x times the rate at which holding an iPad for several hours does.

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You sound like one of those "I NEEDZ TEH INTARWEBS ALL OVER TEH WORLD SO I DONTS GET THE SHAKES FROM NOT READING MY EMAIL ZOMG" people. Unless you're some kind of high-flying corporate executive who needs to have his finger on the button 700 hours a day, then there is very little need to be permanently connected like that. I actually disapprove of it for this reason; it's unnecessary and I don't believe it has changed our lives for the better. There's nothing I hate more than somebody taking photos on a camera phone at a party and uploading them to the likes of Facebook instantly. In fact, before Facebook started up, I didn't know anyone who took photos at parties at all.

Actually, I'm a senior technician and assistant supervisor for a corporate department in which important emails and meetings spring up out of the blue. So yes, once I get back to my civilian world job this will be an additional bonus that will allow me to get even more use out of this device.

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We survived perfectly well without all of this stuff and most middle aged and elderly people I know still do. Just because 3G is available isn't an excuse to be permanently glued to it.

Oh, nearly forgot - I can get a 3G antenna for my netbook. Cheaper than the iPad and using the same tariff. Foiled, oh dear.

Are you really in the technology industry or are you just one of those that says, well the rock wheel worked...why make it better or change it for practical use.

What?! that's extra equipment, and lord help anyone on this forum that might have to carry extra, BULKY crap around. Hippicrits, gotta love em.

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Seriously, how dare you? I do have "$499" but I simply don't want the thing. Who are you to tell me that my opinions don't matter? You sound like you're trying to justify blowing your money on an albatross and lashing out at those who disagree with you.

The same way people can have their right to cry that they're too poor to spend money on such an item. Instead of crying, people should just go make more money, it's not hard...and there's actually millions of people around the world that are waiting to spend their money on you...-sigh-

I have an EeePC 900, with only the non-soldered 16 gig drive, (Exceptionally slow solid state).
1 gig ram, 900mhz processor

Boot times into a barely configured build of Ubuntu are about 40-50 seconds or so.

This is basically a second generation netbook, and has crap battery life. But you know what? In the two years I think I have had it, it has only been an issue about 5 times or so. The rest of the time I usually used it while sitting somewhere, and generally in our modern world we're not too far from an out let.

Yes, I could buy a newer system, and get similar battery life to an IPad, but I already have this one, and it works well enough for me currently.


What else do I get with my netbook that you don't get with your IPad.
1. I have an email client, 3 chat programs, 2 web browser sessions, and 4 different console windows running, and I can alt-tab between them as they all run and update in real time!

2. I have a KEYBOARD, and a real one. And it was included with the price of it. And I'm sorry, but tapping on a flat screen just doesn't cut it when I'm typing. I'm able to look around at other things while I'm working, I can watch needles on gauges while I type up reports, I can look at someone while giving a presentation, I can stare off into space while working on fiction. I can do all that, and still hit the backspace keep because I know I've made a typo, without looking, all because of how the keyboard feels. In fact I have not been looking at this section since I started, and have made 4 corrections. (checking the paragraph, I don't see any typos.)

3. Clam Shell design. I close the lid, and my screen is protected when I put it into my bag, or the large pocket in my coat. I don't care if the case of my laptop picks up a scratch or two, I can throw this thing into a tool bag, and have done so many times, and not had to worry. With something like an IPad I have to think more about where I put it while carrying. And yes, it has spent countless hours being carried around in the crook of one arm while using it on the move.

4. Easy battery swap. This battery is nearing the end of its life time. True, chances are that I'll end up upgrading to a more power efficient system rather than replacing the battery, but one of my friends has a similar netbook, and he simply carries two batteries while travelling.
I can also power the EeePCs off a standard 12 volt system. I've run this thing for 3 months in the field without needing any special equipment, just the 12 volt system that everything else we had was running off of. No custom adaptors, nothing that I had to guess at the specs with.

5. I can hook up USB flash drives!

6. I can use SD cards without plugging in an adaptor! Actually I have a 2gig card in the slot, and it sits nice and flush. I don't even notice it is there.

7. I can hook up a high precision Wacom drawing tablet.

8. I can hook up a joystick.

9. I can hook up my choice of mouse or keyboard.

10. I can hook up my choice of external microphone. (Once you've used a jawbone, earbone, or throat mic in a public place to have a Skype conversation, you'll never go back to trying to use the crappy cheap little things built into a computer. You know, the ones that pick up your voice as an afterthought to the train, hundreds of other people, and random equipment.)

11. I can connect to a secure wired network.

12. In short, I have 3 USB ports, and can use them for whatever I want.

13. I can do ALL of this! And I have yet to buy a single accessory just for my netbook, and paid less for it two years ago than just the base model of an Ipad costs. And I could get an even better system than this one for a similar price now.



As for all your magical 'syncing' that you only get with your IPad, well, guess what. My EeePC does it too! Mind you, I had to think to set mine up, but I don't mind having choices in what systems I use. It also syncs in exactly the way I want it to, and I would bet it really wasn't any more complex of a setup process than whatever the apple version is.
Also, given that I'm fully capable of understanding how a system works and how to change/install stuff, I don't count not needing that ability to be much of a feature. I would be kind of like having something double as an ashtray when you don't smoke. Sure it might be a 'feature', but it doesn't really count as you never need it.


Your precious built in 3G that no one else can do? I'm sorry, but they already sell netbooks and laptops with built in 3G. For the rest of us with older ones, we can plug in a small thumb sized device that easily fits in any useful pocket. And guess what. When some new and far better network service, like 4G which is being rolled out already, we just have to buy a cheap little upgrade. Your IPad? Guess you'll be forking out for a brand new one to join the rest of us as a minor technology advances.

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5. I can hook up USB flash drives!

It can send any information you'd need on a flash drive, through the air!

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6. I can use SD cards without plugging in an adaptor! Actually I have a 2gig card in the slot, and it sits nice and flush. I don't even notice it is there.

I have a iPhone I use for my photos, it can send information through the air!

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7. I can hook up a high precision Wacom drawing tablet.

Adobe has their own version of photoshop just for the iPad, and many other companies have similar versions, instead of paying extra for a drawing tablet, you already have one...and one that is more responsive for paintings and such.

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8. I can hook up a joystick.

I don't tend to use flight simulators on a tablet PC, but that's you, and I will say that instead of a joystick, mine can move by the moment of the tablet itself, less hardware FTW! Tilt Technology is awesome :)

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9. I can hook up my choice of mouse or keyboard.

Most of my choices of a keyboard - such as the G15, Razor Lycosa, or Merc Stealth would be retracting the fact that I like my mobility - because of this I have the advantage of having a built in keyboard (which from my experience CAN be used without looking at it, you just have to have proper coordination to do so. I wrote a whole paper this evening on it without much error in it. Or I can choose to hook it up to my small, portable keyboard dock station to use if I really just need one.

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10. I can hook up my choice of external microphone. (Once you've used a jawbone, earbone, or throat mic in a public place to have a Skype conversation, you'll never go back to trying to use the crappy cheap little things built into a computer. You know, the ones that pick up your voice as an afterthought to the train, hundreds of other people, and random equipment.)

Bluetooth.
Bluetooth.
Bluetooth.

and if you really need to, it has a headphone/mic jack built into it that's universal.

USB Drives, headsets, SD drives, joystick, mouse, keyboard, and the rest of all the equipment you've referenced costs money -- unless of course you get them for free or build them yourself. Your point is void.

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If this makes you laugh, then you're a nerd.

We're sitting arguing about the functionality of an iPad on a game development forum, welcome to real life, you're a nerd. lol

Aww, bless. You threw your toys quite far this time, mummy'll just put them back in the pram for you.

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Umm, this is the reasoning I was getting at, way to read between the lines ;) and my mention of absurd opinions.

blah blah blah so's your mum :)

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The iPad is in no way any more clunkier than a Netbook or Laptop, in fact it's about the same as any tablet PC, or drawing tablet that you'd find artists carrying around the make digital sketches with. Another cry baby excuse is what it seems :)

blah blah blah so's your face :)

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Except that the battery power on most laptops or netbooks when seriously doing work is absolute crap, while the battery power on the iPad is actually really long compared to that of the iPhone.

The iPad has longer battery life because they've upgraded the circuitry and a bigger case == bigger battery. The leaked iPhone 4G appears to be following suit.

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Trackpads....I'd much rather just carry a small mouse, that's how effective they are. Speaking of awkward things, these things makes my hands cramp at about 1000x times the rate at which holding an iPad for several hours does.

Oh, the innuendo :)

This panda has had no issues with trackpads. Guess I'm just better than anyone else, right?

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Actually, I'm a senior technician and assistant supervisor for a corporate department in which important emails and meetings spring up out of the blue. So yes, once I get back to my civilian world job this will be an additional bonus that will allow me to get even more use out of this device.

TL;DR - tech support monkey who is too nerdy to put his e-mail down. And you're still in denial: "... that will allow me to get even more use out of this device ...". You'd already have maximum use if it was useful at all.

I actually like being able to go home from work or from University and switching off until the following day.

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Are you really in the technology industry or are you just one of those that says, well the rock wheel worked...why make it better or change it for practical use.

What?! that's extra equipment, and lord help anyone on this forum that might have to carry extra, BULKY crap around. Hippicrits, gotta love em.

The rock wheel was reliable and worked. Sorry, Apple didn't invent the wheel despite what the Book of Jobs tells you.

Netbook = durable clamshell case. Small power adapter, possibly mouse.

iPad = shiny, easily scratched body. Easily breakable screen with little to no protection and a replacement cost of Greece's national debt if it goes wrong (sorry, you might have AppleCare - just lets you pay the national debt up front I guess). You still need a Mac to sync it, you still need all those dodgy proprietary cables, you don't have half of the optional accessories us mortals have and if you do they cost your house and unborn child to be lower quality than the 3rd party stuff, c.f. iPod headphones. Pay extra for your mains power adapter as well.

Quote: The same way people can have their right to cry that they're too poor to spend money on such an item. Instead of crying, people should just go make more money, it's not hard...and there's actually millions of people around the world that are waiting to spend their money on you...-sigh-

You're still accusing me of being poor. My family live in a £700k house in one of the 20 richest postcodes in the UK, combined househould income is about £125k p.a. and I have £20k in savings at the age of 23 (which is a hell of a lot more than many of my friends and I stand to inherit a total of £50k more by the time most of my relatives croak) and I have a trust fund. Fuck you. How dare you accuse me of being poor to spend money on Apple products, am I not worthy or something?

You sound a) awfully full of yourself and b) in denial. Enjoy the feeling of being shafted when Apple bring out a massively improved model for the same money this time next year. Seriously, darling, you're just making yourself look stupid by laying into netbook owners - at least Steve Jobs had some kind of sound argument and the marketing speak to try and convince people to get the iPad, you just sound like a fanboy and a shill.

How's your multitasking? You're not one of those nuggets who bought two iPads to get around that limitation, are you? Yes, there was one guy on Engadget who did exactly that and iPhone OS 4 will be iPhone exclusive until nearer Christmas. Even then, it's still pretty limited and I'll bet people are disappointed with it when it finally drops.

I'll see you on the 4G networks when they roll out... oh wait, gotta pre-order that second gen iPad for $your_soul and a new contract! :) I'm so upset about just having to buy a new dongle for my netbook, so inconvenient and so difficult - why have we been shafted in this way?

Oh, and does the iDickTionary have a definition for "hippacrit"? Seriously, learn to spell the word before accusing somebody of being one.

-ukdeveloper

sent from my netbook (which has an audio mute button on the keyboard and true multitasking)

Moderators: please considering closing this thread. Everybody is at cross-purposes and Christopher Loyd is obviously enjoying trolling anyone who disagrees with him.

Yeah, you know, I think we are done here....