I agree alfthegeek, it''s inane comments like this that make me wonder how this guy can even turn a computer on. And as my old mum says - if you can''t post something nice, don''t post anything at all (poetic license taken here). Also I totally agree with kirby92, windows programming is generally a pain in the arse - but until big bill dies we''re going to have to do it. Does anyone know of APIs out there that wrap up the WIN32 API (and I mean better than the shite that MFC is).
Also, remember that we can make things better - windows isn''t always best all the time, linux can be used to make good cross platform apps. Also I think SDL is pretty good too. If you want to learn the WIN32 API for games only, then learn a wrapper API (ie SDL, Glut) so that your games will be cross-platform & run on linux.

Just my thoughts
Brad

I agree. Windows is an enormous pain in the ass. It just doesn''t make sense to anyone who''s big into OOP, since it was originally written to be compatible with C programmers I think... As soon as I got the thing working, I immediately set to wrapping it up so I didn''t have to deal with as much of the details as possible. The message callback system makes wrapping an even bigger pain in the ass though.

MFC is widely regarded to be crap, though i''ve never used it myself. I''ve heard good things about the WTL - the Windows Template Library. It''s basicly a win32 wrapper that just uses standard win32 calls. No MFC. Microsoft doesn''t support it anymore, prefferring to pimp MFC in it''s place. It''s still downloadable from somewhere, but I dunno where. Search for it.

hmmm. My name''s not showing up on posts...

mm .. a few years ago i said that .. and now suddenly i want to program again ..

there are very good windows tutorials out there .. i went through 2 of them and they taught me a lot and i was able to understand what they were all about .. not bad for trying to get back into programming after years ..

i''m with a lot of prehatewindows programmers, its easier than you think after you''ve gotten past the first step ..

i haven''t coded anything fantastic yet .. but after having my skills and confidence shot, and later regaining them week by week, i know i could get into hectic programming again .. when .. i get a 3d card *lololololo* ..

when i find out which sites i went to, i''ll try and remember to edit this post and put the links in ..

And now it is.... hmmm.
the above anon post is mine.

To the Anonymous poster who said

I have the Charles Petzold''s e-book should I upload it for you?

I''m too tring to learn the win API and it would be helpful if yo could post that book somewhere or mail it to me
tonis.martmaa@mail.ee

Thanks anyway

Okay, I fully admit that I might possibly be insane, but I like Windows programming.

Does that make me a bad person?

RM.

-=Kicking Butt and Writing Code=-

If you hate Windows programming that much, go download one of the cross-platform libraries like wxWindows(quite similar to MFC), FLTK or Qt. Go do a search on the net for these.

I actually agree with RageMatrix. I sorta like Windows programming. I had a really good book to explain it. Also if you learn all about the Win32 API you''ll be making more money than a lot of game programmers...

"Ogun''s Laughter Is No Joke!!!" - Ogun Kills On The Right, A Nigerian Poem.

Since no one has mentioned it (that I noticed): you might also what to try winprog.org.

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