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Quote: Crows are smart but nothing in those links attests to their ability to develop a new tool and then share the knowledge of how to make and use that tool with other crows.

That's because Crows are limited in other ways. They lack the dexterity to create, and manipulate, a useful tool which would do anything they didn't already do. Certainly, given such a complex social structure, they would be able to share their knowledge if they discovered something in anyway useful.

I would argue that our opposable thumbs are the primary reason for our technological evolution.

So... we take a crow brain and implant it into a robot body with opposable thumbs. And then we watch in amusement as the robot bops its head back and forth when it walks :)

Don't believe it's possible? Check this out!

">Rat brains implanted in robot

Perhaps when it comes to modeling cognition, it would be better to model crow brains than mice brains. Iirc, researchers have managed to model half a mouse brain.

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Quote: Original post by CodaKiller
Lets look at this from a different prospective, if there was a girl who likes bondage and you give her what she wants, would that be unethical?

All that is required for it to be ethical is that they are doing it because they want to, so just make them want to do stuff you tell them to do.

Your ethical principle is really weak. If 'ethical' is defined as doing something to satisfy a desire, then how could the sociopathic murderer ever be considered 'unethical' in your view?

Thats not what I'm saying, I was meaning that if they want to do it then it's not slavery and there fore not unethical.

Quote: Original post by CodaKiller
I was meaning that if they want to do it then it's not slavery and there fore not unethical.

That's right, just program them to volunteer.

If AI gets to the point where there are real issues of sentience, the kind that might rise up and kill us all, we should be less worried about the ethics of enslaving it and more worried about the mechanics of neutralizing it.

I knew a CogSci student at Vassar who loved AI and was really into it, and he said that the minute he created a true AI he'd smash it with a fire axe.

Imho,A.I. is not nesessary for robots,especially military...
Poligon

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Quote: Original post by slayemin

Quote: Original post by CodaKiller
Lets look at this from a different prospective, if there was a girl who likes bondage and you give her what she wants, would that be unethical?

All that is required for it to be ethical is that they are doing it because they want to, so just make them want to do stuff you tell them to do.

Your ethical principle is really weak. If 'ethical' is defined as doing something to satisfy a desire, then how could the sociopathic murderer ever be considered 'unethical' in your view?

Thats not what I'm saying, I was meaning that if they want to do it then it's not slavery and there fore not unethical.

Ah, my misunderstanding.

You're right, and you make a good point. That same principle applies to us too in a way. You could socialize people into being subservient to another group of people and make it their desire to serve their masters.

What's more scary? Coerced slavery or willful self-enslavement?

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Quote: Original post by CodaKiller

Quote: Original post by slayemin

Quote: Original post by CodaKiller
Lets look at this from a different prospective, if there was a girl who likes bondage and you give her what she wants, would that be unethical?

All that is required for it to be ethical is that they are doing it because they want to, so just make them want to do stuff you tell them to do.

Your ethical principle is really weak. If 'ethical' is defined as doing something to satisfy a desire, then how could the sociopathic murderer ever be considered 'unethical' in your view?

Thats not what I'm saying, I was meaning that if they want to do it then it's not slavery and there fore not unethical.

Ah, my misunderstanding.

You're right, and you make a good point. That same principle applies to us too in a way. You could socialize people into being subservient to another group of people and make it their desire to serve their masters.

What's more scary? Coerced slavery or willful self-enslavement?

The premises for freedom are "having options" and "being able to choose among them at will".

I belive the moral issues with robots would raise in a situation where a human gives an order to a robot, and the robot says "I don't want to do that". If it were a very brave robot, he would say "I'd rather be dismantled before I do what you demand". Asimov analized these hypotetical situations inside-out like a millon times.

Such a behavior does raise resenment between humans since the begginings of time.
On my part I don't wanna write english no more for today.

[Edited by - owl on August 10, 2009 7:02:09 PM]

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Quote: Original post by CodaKiller
Thats not what I'm saying, I was meaning that if they want to do it then it's not slavery and there fore not unethical.

Ah, my misunderstanding.

You're right, and you make a good point. That same principle applies to us too in a way. You could socialize people into being subservient to another group of people and make it their desire to serve their masters.

What's more scary? Coerced slavery or willful self-enslavement?

Personally, I think I've formed the opinion that slavery is unethical even if a person supposedly submits himself to it.


The idea of submitting to slavery was raised in my favorite book series (http://us.macmillan.com/series/ZonesofThought). More recently, this seems to be the prime issue raised in Joss Whedon's Dollhouse series.BRING BACK FIREFLY!!

Slavery is illegal regardless of whether it's coerced or consented to.

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Slavery is illegal regardless of whether it's coerced or consented to.

What's the legal definition of slavery, then?