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"Mandatory end of life Counseling" and other Health Care Reform woes

Started by July 24, 2009 08:35 PM
863 comments, last by nobodynews 15 years, 1 month ago
Quote: Original post by Stab-o-tron
Quote: Original post by Eelco
You mean the bitter history of europe before it became wealthy by capitalism, and had do-gooders take the credit for it?


I'm guessing he's probably talking about the days when people, including children, were forced to work long hours in mills or down mines for incredibly low wages, under extremely dangerous working conditions.

But yeah, capitalism, woo.


What do you mean by "the days when"?

Child labour in Kyrgyz coal mines (24 August 2007)

Inquiry Finds Under-Age Workers at Meat Plant (August 5, 2008)

Revealed: child labour used to make NHS instruments (8 December 2008)
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Quote: Original post by Eelco
Quote: Original post by HelplessFool
I know psychologically you have to be contrarian to everything everyone else is going to say in this thread, but its getting a bit ridiculous. Comparing an industry centered on goods that are both consumable and perishable, which requires they be sold in a timely manner so as not to become losses, to a service based industry? You yourself used the phrase "Im comparing apples with apples:" earlier in this discussion.

And further, there are so many players in the food-industry that I can barely begin to list them all here (farmers, farmers markets, chain-grocers, specialty food retailers, wholesalers, fishermen, etc. etc., all of whom have an impact on the final price of goods), but with insurance there are only a handful of major players.


Thanks for the condecension.

Either way, so you agree 'OMFG PROFITEERING' is hollow agitprop? That the problem is not the profit notive, but the (alleged) monopolization of the healthcare business?


No, I don't agree. I think it was quite clear that I was calling you out on your hypocrisy and piss-poor argument, not making an argument. And further, you haven't even mentioned the word monopoly before now. In fact, on the very first page of this discussion, you said
Quote: Eelco:
All these reforms and measures are nothing but covert ways of increasing redistribution, and in the process, perfectly functional systems of saving and insurance are rendered disfunctional.

And from there, you started blaming people for breaking contracts, and the fact that they took contracts with loopholes in them. No mention of our insurance system itself being broken, or monopolies being at the root. So please, if you're going to try and deflect me by trying to make it look like I agree with you on something, don't use a steaming pile to do it (it leaves a bad taste when you shove it in my mouth).
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Quote: Original post by LessBread
What do you mean by "the days when"?

Child labour in Kyrgyz coal mines (24 August 2007)

Inquiry Finds Under-Age Workers at Meat Plant (August 5, 2008)

Revealed: child labour used to make NHS instruments (8 December 2008)


Yeah I was thinking of specific examples in the UK, from when it was completely legal and quite common for this to happen, I didn't intend to suggest that child labour is a thing of the past.
Quote: Original post by Stab-o-tron
Yeah I was thinking of specific examples in the UK, from when it was completely legal and quite common for this to happen, I didn't intend to suggest that child labour is a thing of the past.


I understand. It's easy to think that such practices are a thing of the past, and horrible to realize they aren't.
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Sarah Palin says Obama would have killed Trig.
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Quote: Original post by Eelco
Really, insurance companies are in it to make money? Who would have guessed, im shocked.


It's really quite reprehensible that you don't see anything wrong with this.

The life of a human should not be bandied about like it's something to be bought and sold. The companies love to take our money, but then come up with all sorts of excuses why they shouldn't have to pay when it comes time to honour their side of the deal. You talk about the government stealing as if it were the worst thing in the world, and then commend this behaviour?

There really is something wrong with your thought process.
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Quote: Original post by Mithrandir
Quote: Original post by Eelco
Really, insurance companies are in it to make money? Who would have guessed, im shocked.


It's really quite reprehensible that you don't see anything wrong with this.

The life of a human should not be bandied about like it's something to be bought and sold. The companies love to take our money, but then come up with all sorts of excuses why they shouldn't have to pay when it comes time to honour their side of the deal. You talk about the government stealing as if it were the worst thing in the world, and then commend this behaviour?

There really is something wrong with your thought process.



Off to the gulag with me.
Quote: Original post by Mithrandir
There really is something wrong with your thought process.

LET'S DEBUG IT!




IF (action.Actor == "private")
echo "GOOD";


IF (action.Actor == "government")
echo "BAD"
Quote: Original post by Eelco
Off to the gulag with me.


Yeah, it's a pity that it's impossible to support universal health care without turning to Communism

If only it were possible for some kind of middle ground to exist...

EDIT: Damned gamedev.net taking away our FREEEDOM and not allowing us to use the blink or marquee tags!
Quote: Original post by Stab-o-tron
Quote: Original post by Eelco
Off to the gulag with me.


Yeah, it's a pity that it's impossible to support universal health care without turning to Communism.

If only it were possible for some kind of middle ground to exist...
.....like some sort of mixed economy? Intriguing!

But, what foolhardy society will be bold enough to take on such a radical endeavor?

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