Am I the only one who had trouble telling the difference between Mikaela and "Alice," even when they were in the same shot?

That movie was 45 to 60 minutes too long.

The beginning was hilarious. The mushy scenes could have been cut out completely. The hispanic roommate was for me more annoying than the ghetto/hick twins. He was completely pointless. Why did they bring that agent back? Was it really necessary? Desert scene was drawn out way too long, if wasn't for the fighting it would have been completely dismal. I wonder if Transformers 3 will take place in the suburbs and desert again.... I remember someone posting that the Matrix sand healed Sam. All it seemed to do was put him in a dream state and wake him up. They did Jetfire wrong. Completely shameful how they portrayed him. Old man going senile with a cane? Really? And why does Energon have to be so... fantastic?? You have to blow up the sun to get Energon? That's a bit much.

I do have a question however. The Fallen is a Prime (whatever that is). Obviously Optimus Prime is a Prime. In the first movie, Optimus refers to Megatron as a brother. As in, blood relation brother. So does that mean that Megatron is a Prime also???

Quote: Am I the only one who had trouble telling the difference between Mikaela and "Alice," even when they were in the same shot?

Yes, they looked very similar.

Did anyone else think it was weird that the decepticons died a whole lot easier in this movie? In the first movie, almost nothing could bring those suckers down- especially not human weapons.

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Did anyone else think it was weird that the decepticons died a whole lot easier in this movie? In the first movie, almost nothing could bring those suckers down- especially not human weapons.

Indeed it seemed that at least Megatron was a lot weaker than in the first movie. Optimus seemed to be whooping his ass around the place quite easily even without the upgrades he received later, while in the first movie Megatron was all but invincible. In fact, this caused other inconsistencies as well -- such as, why was Fallen so afraid of Optimus even though Fallen was supposedly much stronger than Megatron, who in the first movie would've delivered quite an asskicking to Optimus if Sam hadn't intervened?

That said, I did enjoy the movie.

I agree it probably had too many subplots. I agree many of the characters were superfluous. And I've definitely never been a fan of shaky cameras.

And yet somehow I enjoyed every minute of it. The audience I was in seemed to love it as well. I can't pin down my reasoning very tightly on this, but it seems that there are a select few films that I simply enjoy and would even watch again (in theaters) despite being able to list many explicit features about them that I dislike and consider poor filmmaking.

After thinking about this a bit more, I think part of this could be the music. I'm serious about that. I really enjoy the music in the Transformers movies. It possibly gets me excited enough about the action scenes that I can overlook all the film's faults and still enjoy it.

I think it also has to do with Shia LaBeouf. I'm not sure I would have enjoyed the film much at all if someone else played his character. Megan Fox obviously doesn't hurt either, but she could have been replaced by any generic attractive girl.

Just seen it, it was ok but just didn't quite gel. I think my main problem with it was the way they kept switching from slapstick comedy to serious destruction of the world stuff. It just didn't seem right when there were robots and people dying left right and center, and then everyone takes a break to goof off for a bit before going back to the killing

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That movie was 45 to 60 minutes too long.

The beginning was hilarious. The mushy scenes could have been cut out completely. The hispanic roommate was for me more annoying than the ghetto/hick twins. He was completely pointless. Why did they bring that agent back? Was it really necessary? Desert scene was drawn out way too long, if wasn't for the fighting it would have been completely dismal. I wonder if Transformers 3 will take place in the suburbs and desert again.... I remember someone posting that the Matrix sand healed Sam. All it seemed to do was put him in a dream state and wake him up. They did Jetfire wrong. Completely shameful how they portrayed him. Old man going senile with a cane? Really? And why does Energon have to be so... fantastic?? You have to blow up the sun to get Energon? That's a bit much.

I do have a question however. The Fallen is a Prime (whatever that is). Obviously Optimus Prime is a Prime. In the first movie, Optimus refers to Megatron as a brother. As in, blood relation brother. So does that mean that Megatron is a Prime also???

The whole blow up the sun concept was really just poorly thought out. I mean, these beings are capable of intergalactic space travel but they aren't aware of the billions of stars out there that aren't near planets and thus could be an easily tapped source of energy?

Ugh. That was terrible. Kidnap the parents to set a trap? What was that all about? I coulnd't see what was going on half of the time and the other half I wished I couldn't. At least it wasn't a long movie. Oh, and how sad is it that the audience will laugh at every single groin joke? Why are you bad, America?

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Ugh. That was terrible. Kidnap the parents to set a trap? What was that all about? I coulnd't see what was going on half of the time and the other half I wished I couldn't. At least it wasn't a long movie.

It was 2 and a half hours - at least one hour too long.

Quote: Oh, and how sad is it that the audience will laugh at every single groin joke? Why are you bad, America?

Perhaps because it's a repressed society? Since people can't openly and seriously discuss sex and drugs in spheres like politics, they get shoehorned into caricatured representations in films aimed at overgrown adolescents.

Quote: Original post by Alpha_ProgDes
I do have a question however. The Fallen is a Prime (whatever that is). Obviously Optimus Prime is a Prime. In the first movie, Optimus refers to Megatron as a brother. As in, blood relation brother. So does that mean that Megatron is a Prime also???

Prime

In reality, the original 13 were not called primes. They were the original 13 transformers, created by Primus (whose twin brother is Unicron). In this film Bay and his cohorts jumbled the mythos and threw names all over the place (I can just imagine Bay in a production meeting saying, "Because it's AWESOME!")

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The whole blow up the sun concept was really just poorly thought out. I mean, these beings are capable of intergalactic space travel but they aren't aware of the billions of stars out there that aren't near planets and thus could be an easily tapped source of energy?

Well, ostensibly the original thirteen "primes" - though, Bay's "Dynasty of Primes" appear to only consist of seven members - knew of life on earth, and had a rule against trying to destroy its sun. The Fallen "hated mankind" (why? no idea) and had grown "power hungry," and intended to destroy our sun anyway.

Still stupid, but not quite so randomly stupid.

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Indeed it seemed that at least Megatron was a lot weaker than in the first movie. Optimus seemed to be whooping his ass around the place quite easily even without the upgrades he received later, while in the first movie Megatron was all but invincible. In fact, this caused other inconsistencies as well -- such as, why was Fallen so afraid of Optimus even though Fallen was supposedly much stronger than Megatron, who in the first movie would've delivered quite an asskicking to Optimus if Sam hadn't intervened?

Another mythology mish-mash. Properly, a Prime carries the Autobot Matrix of Leadership, also called the Creation Matrix, which can be opened to release an incredible power. This power would be capable of destroying The Fallen (though, in the comics, cartoons and pre-existing canon, The Fallen is not afraid of Optimus Prime and it is Primus himself - the god of the transformers, and yes they have a god who created all of them - who destroys The Fallen), which would rationalize The Fallen's fear of Primes - except that in the film the Matrix has been turned into a "key" for the sun eater machine.

So, yeah. It makes no fucking sense. At all.

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Did anyone else think it was weird that the decepticons died a whole lot easier in this movie? In the first movie, almost nothing could bring those suckers down- especially not human weapons.

Weeeellll... in the first movie they discovered that tracer rounds could penetrate Cybertronian skin because of the heat. It's reasonable to think that N.E.S.T. upgraded all their weapons to use incendiary rounds. Nevertheless, the Decepticons fell way too easily in this film.