Discliamer: I am most certainly not moderating here, and if you use this post as an example of corrupt or inappropriate moderator behavior your response should be considered completely inappropriate and probably immature. This post is purely my own personal opinion as a user of the GDNet forums, and does not in any way represent an official position or moderation policy.


You, Dmytry, have generally presented yourself as an intelligent and valuable member of the GDNet community over the years. You appear to be an intelligent person, you have valuable contributions to make to technical discussions, and in spite of having a (very) minor communication barrier you do a good job of presenting both facts and your point of view well and contributing valuable information to many disucssions.

That being said, of late a number of your posts have been needlessly hostile and at times slightly irrational (as observed by other, non-moderator members and explained in the OP of this very thread by Dymytry himself) and has caused some friction with other members of the forum.



Something I'd like to point out here and make sure everyone is well and truly aware of is that GDNet moderators, when not in their own forum and/or specifically acting as a moderator are pretty much just members of the forum. If assigned to a particular forum we probably have some expertise in that specific area and maybe worth paying particular attention to when addressing that specific topic, but otherwise (and even when we are covering our own area) we should just be considered the same as any other member; we present our own knowledge and/or opinion, we will defend our point(s) of view, and we may at times be shown to be incorrect.


Another user, when having an argument with a moderator who is specifically not making use of the additional abilities (issuing warnings, suspensions, banning) granted to us -- and I welcome any of our members to have a look at this thread, from which a lot of the currently debated trouble stems, although I implore you not to add to any off-topic discussion within that thread; you'll note that Yann L (the moderator with which Dymytry is arguing in that thread, but not the one which warned or suspended him) not once makes use of his moderation abilities or even implies they should be taken into consideration, and even takes pains to repeatedly poinbt out that what he is saying is subjective and represents his own personal (and admittedly limited within the thread at several points) point of view -- should consider us the same as any other member; if you annoy us you may be rated down, but other than that you're welcome to disagree as long as you stay within the rules of the site by staying on topic and avoiding personal insults.


Looking at the thread in question, Dymytry was somewhat beligerant and hostile without any real cause but was only issued with a warning for this. In posting the thread you're currently reading he has provided a reason for this, which I personally feel is very understandable but does not excuse the behavior. I'm perfectly happy to forgive him for being moody given the situation, but don't feel that justified moodiness puts people above the rules of the forums.

ApochPiQ made a decision based upon the previously issued warning and continued negative behavior to issue a brief suspension, which he freely admits was probably a mistake and which realistically causes no ongoing difficulty for Dymytry.

In response, Dymytry posted an immature thread condemming all the moderators as corrupt and unfair, and even in this thread continues to make childish accusations rather than simply letting the matter rest or taking it up privately to see if things can be resolved. This, in my view is a pretty childish and immature response, and definitely does nothing to help matters.


Dymytry:
Your game looks very good, and a lot of us understand the pressure of an upcoming release, especially when you're currently facing additional difficulties.

This however does not excuse the immature and snappy behavior you began this thread by apologising for, and my suggestion to you is that you do what you original said and take a little time away from the forums to cool off. You've generally been a fairly level-headed and valuable member of the community, and I think it would be sad to lose you or see you get bitter over the long term because of this incident, and realistically if you continue to be snappy and disruptive one of our moderators is at some point going to have no choice but to take some form of action to curb your behavior again.

Please take a step back, finish and release your project, and return to the community without the snappy remarks so that no further action will need to be taken and that the whole thing can be left behind. If you really want to take it any further put in a complaint to the senior moderators rather than making threads to complain or polluting otherwise valuable threads with bitterness.

Again, this is not moderation and does not represent official policy. I'm currently responding purely as a long-time user of the forums, and as such will not be moderating in this thread now that I'm involved.

Well. Flipping through these forums a little, what I think is the case is that on my worst behaviour I'm still behaving no worse than majority of people over here. The big difference is that I generally don't follow unwritten rule of only attacking low rated members.

And yes. I really should have expressed my opinion about Yann's 'extensive experience' in more polite manner, like other people did (see all the questions of form "did you ever __ ?").

As for my you all suck thread. I do think that my 5 points generally are true. This forum is somewhere in between actual technical forums and /b/ . It is true though that there are few people here whom I respect a lot and whom know what they're talking about. As for my opensource remark in other thread. Free code is not perfect, but it is of far better quality, generally, than free forum advice. At least the code of OSS projects that you use.
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In response, Dymytry posted an immature thread condemming all the moderators as corrupt and unfair,

You see. Read your post over again. Whole wall of text posts personally about myself by moderators*, childishly trying to protect themselves from my accusation by labelling me as immature, rather than by anyhow showing my arguments to be false. Is that mature?

*what if I'm drama queen and love that? [grin]

Geez. I really should leave this forum, why the hell i keep coming back i dunno, i guess that's addiction. I did leave this forum multiple times before, always without any fuss what so ever. (you can see big gaps between my posts). What is bad about my flu is that this time i got pissed off enough to post "you all suck" thread (btw with well considered points that i didn't just invent in heat of the moment).

Quote: Original post by Dmytry
Geez. I really should leave this forum

Then leave. If you hate the moderation, the members and the technical accuracy of the posts here, there's no reason to stay. Grow a pair and walk off without being all emo about it.

Quote: Original post by SiCrane

Quote: Original post by Dmytry
Geez. I really should leave this forum

Then leave. If you hate the moderation, the members and the technical accuracy of the posts here, there's no reason to stay. Grow a pair and walk off without being all emo about it.

I don't hate the members. I dislike some few, like some few, and I'm quite neutral about most. I really like some moderators, dislike some, and neutral about most.
Technical accuracy over here is really bad though, with only a few exceptions.
(edit: btw. I'm making this reply because you're immaturely accusing me of "hating the moderators" and "hating the members", of being emo and 'not having a pair'. You see, I can call you guys immature too. Seriously, let's not start calling each-other immature in first place)

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Quote: Original post by Dmytry
And yes. I really should have expressed my opinion about Yann's 'extensive experience' in more polite manner, like other people did (see all the questions of form "did you ever __ ?").

I answered a lot of your questions by PM, and gave you significantly more information about the where and whys of my experience with both OSS and VCS by PM than I would probably ever do on a public forum, backed with verifiable facts. Yet, you completely ignored any of this, and continue to question my integrity in both PMs and in public. I explained to you again and again why I have my personal opinion about this matter, where it came from and that such experience can very well differ from one company to the next. All that obviously within the limits of what my company allows me to say to a, with all due respect, complete stranger. If that's not enough for you, well then tough luck.

You know, if this is really that important to you, you're welcome to apply for a job (you know where), sign all required paperwork, get your SC, and then we can talk further. But no, I forgot, you hate all defense contractors and everything military with a passion. Do I smell a little hatred-induced bias there ? Well, sorry that I work for one, and somehow hurt your pacifist/OSS feelings with, uhm, whatever I did.

So, you don't like me because you somehow feel that I pissed on your holy little OSS world. I think we got it by now, you can stop the public whining. Jesus...

[Resume mod mode]

this is just more and more lulz.

See, Yann. I'm not questioning your integrity really. I believe that you indeed think you have the experience you say you have.
But you see, if you wanted to convince me you know git well, all it would take is a single remark about a single specific little technical 'thing' that you can't easily read off wiki. No need to disclose to me (edit: and lol to the entire forum) various details that you say you don't want disclosed.
(edit: same goes for other topics BTW)

So I guess the transformation of this thread from "Dmytry apologizing for being a dick" to "Dmytry being a dick" is complete. Cigars all around, everyone.