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Don't let the door hit you on your way out, Texas.

Started by April 16, 2009 11:56 AM
136 comments, last by LessBread 15 years, 6 months ago
Quote: Original post by Eelco
Quote: Original post by SticksandStones
I so support Texas leaving. The average IQ in this country would jump like, what, 30 points?


Your sarcastic tone suggests you are not being serious. I suspect that like mithrandir for instance, youd quickly change your tune if anything like this were actually likely to happen.


Don't speak for me. I would never send anyone to fight for a cause I wouldn't be willing to die for myself. Trying to keep Texas in the US? Not something I'm even close to wanting to die for.
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Quote: Original post by Eelco
Nope, the parties would find a new equilibrium, nothing would change in that regard.

But it would change, because the equilibruim would be less... Texas-y.

It doesn't even matter what you think Texas-y means, the remainder of the U.S. would be less of it, and the quite Texas-y Texas would have to deal with it. [grin]
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What would be your reaction if somebody told you to pay for something you couldn't afford?

You can't blame Texas for disagreeing with the government and requesting more fiscal spending. It's obviously the states right to do so.

And quit it with all the Texas hate.. it's just stupid elitism. displaced anger. Texas isn't the bully that picked on you in high school.

But seceding, though Texas is somewhat independent, would probably not be smart.. right now.
Quote: Original post by Chris Reynolds
What would be your reaction if somebody told you to pay for something you couldn't afford?

You can't blame Texas for disagreeing with the government and requesting more fiscal spending. It's obviously the states right to do so.


Even if their guy wasn't exactly a role model for fiscal responsibility either
Quote: Original post by Kaze
Quote: Original post by Chris Reynolds
What would be your reaction if somebody told you to pay for something you couldn't afford?

You can't blame Texas for disagreeing with the government and requesting more fiscal spending. It's obviously the states right to do so.


Even if their guy wasn't exactly a role model for fiscal responsibility either


true..

One thing to keep in mind is that this idea didn't spawn with Obama's election, he addressed the issue when Bush was in office claiming Bush was not a "fiscal conservative".

I can't say I disagree with his argument, though his solution is a bit rash.
Quote: Original post by Chris Reynolds
What would be your reaction if somebody told you to pay for something you couldn't afford?


As described in this story: Spending the U.S. stimulus: states can't afford it?

If the person handing down orders passed along 100 times as much money than it cost to carry out those orders, I would be quite excited.

Here's the GAO report: April 2009: Recovery Act: As Initial Implementation Unfolds in States and Localities, Continued Attention to Accountability Issues Is Essential:

Quote:
Nationwide:
Fiscal year: 2009; Amount: $48.9 billion.
Fiscal year: 2010; Amount: $107.7 billion.
Fiscal year: 2011; Amount: $63.4 billion.
Fiscal year: 2012; Amount: $23.3 billion.
Fiscal year: 2013; Amount: $14.4 billion.
Fiscal year: 2014; Amount: $9.1 billion.
Fiscal year: 2015; Amount: $5.7 billion.
Fiscal year: 2016; Amount: $2.5 billion.

State: Texas;
Fiscal Year 2008 FMAP: 60.56;
Fiscal Year 2009 FMAP, first two quarters: 68.76;
Difference: 8.20.

State: Texas;
Medicaid FMAP: $1,448,824;
Highways: $2,250,015;
States Fiscal Stabilization Fund: $2,662,203.

State: Texas;
FMAP grant awards: $1,448,824;
Funds drawn: $665,665;
Percentage of funds drawn: 45.9

State: Texas;
Amount apportioned: $2,250;
Amount obligated: $534;
Percent of apportionment obligated: 24;
Number of projects: 159.

Texas State Auditor's
Office plans to hire 10 additional staff.

Texas state officials noted that state agencies plan on using existing staff to
manage the stimulus funds.

* As of April 3, 2009, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services
(CMS) had made approximately $1.45 billion in increased FMAP grant
awards to Texas;

* As of April 1, 2009, the state has drawn down about $665.7 million,
or 46 percent, of its initial increased FMAP grant awards;

* Texas was apportioned about $2.25 billion for highway infrastructure
investments on March 2, 2009, by the U.S. Department of Transportation;

* As of April 16, 2009, the U.S. Department of Transportation had
obligated $533.7 million for 159 projects in Texas;

* Texas was allocated about $2.66 billion from the initial release of
these funds on April 2, 2009, by the U.S. Department of Education;

Assessing the effects of spending: Texas officials commented that--
under the state's performance-based budgeting process--agencies already
have measures in place for assessing the performance of programs.
Officials also believe that the state's current monitoring and control
processes and procedures are adequate to administer initiatives funded
under the Recovery Act.

Overall, throughout the multiyear time frame covered by the Recovery
Act, Texas' share of the total federal funds is estimated to be more
than $15 billion for supporting a variety of program areas, such as
health and human services, state fiscal stabilization, transportation,
and education. (See table 9.)


Texas is going to have to hire 10 more accountants! That's not much to get upset and threaten secession over. A million bucks a year extra for 10 years to manage $15 billion total? $10 million for $15 billion? 10 out of 15,000.


Quote: Original post by Chris Reynolds
You can't blame Texas for disagreeing with the government and requesting more fiscal spending. It's obviously the states right to do so.

And quit it with all the Texas hate.. it's just stupid elitism. displaced anger. Texas isn't the bully that picked on you in high school.

But seceding, though Texas is somewhat independent, would probably not be smart.. right now.


I don't want Texas to leave the union. I think the fist shaking is kind a funny, at least, I don't think it should be taken seriously yet.

The demographics for the poll I last linked with...

DemographicsMEN	                288	48%WOMEN	                312	52%DEMOCRATS	        199	33%REPUBLICANS	        234	39%INDEPENDENTS/OTHER	167	28%18-29	                102	17%30-44	                204	34%45-59	                198	33%60+	                96	16%WHITE	                390	65%BLACK	                77	13%HISPANIC	        115	19%OTHER	                18	3%


234 Republicans, split 48-48. That's 112 people, out of 600 people total in the survey (or 18%). 167 Independents, split 55-40 against. That's 67 people, out of 600 people total in the survey (or 11%). 199 Democrats, split 82-15. That's 30 people, out of 600 people total in the survey (or 5%). 35% out of 600 people is 210 people. How accurately does that sample reflect the population of Texas?

At present the issue isn't a winner with the general public. In terms of the upcoming Republican primary, it splits the Republican base. Perry will need more than 50% of his party to beat Hutchinson and even more than than to win the general election.
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Quote: Original post by Extrarius
Quote: Original post by Eelco
[...]Then why cant you be genuinely happy (no mith, your angered tone does not agree with your approval) if texas were to secceed?[...]
For one, because I live in Texas. Sure, there are plenty of backwards people here, just like there are everywhere else (ex: those crazies in California repealing the acceptance of gay marriage), but it has plenty of nice qualities too.
That a recent poll of Texans showed 75% would opt to remain in the US is good news. (Yeah, it's already been posted in the thread, but repetition for reinforcement is good stuff)


I dont have any gripe with texas. Most people are morons, i dont expect texas to be any different.

Them standing up for the concept of the consent of the governed is certainly a plus in my book.
Quote: Original post by Trapper Zoid
Quote: Original post by Eelco
Nope, the parties would find a new equilibrium, nothing would change in that regard.

But it would change, because the equilibruim would be less... Texas-y.

It doesn't even matter what you think Texas-y means, the remainder of the U.S. would be less of it, and the quite Texas-y Texas would have to deal with it. [grin]


Yep, the US would be less texas-y. Im not sure why any texans would care: i wouldnt, if i were them.
Quote: Original post by Mithrandir
Quote: Original post by Eelco
Quote: Original post by SticksandStones
I so support Texas leaving. The average IQ in this country would jump like, what, 30 points?


Your sarcastic tone suggests you are not being serious. I suspect that like mithrandir for instance, youd quickly change your tune if anything like this were actually likely to happen.


Don't speak for me. I would never send anyone to fight for a cause I wouldn't be willing to die for myself. Trying to keep Texas in the US? Not something I'm even close to wanting to die for.


I guess im going to have to take your word for it. But for the record, if this wasnt a hypothetical debate, if i actually would have to make decisions based on the truth of your assertion, i would weight in the lessons of history more heavily than your words. In other words: id call bullshit.
Quote: Original post by Promit
If Texas secceeded, would vigilant...New Mexicans...patrol the border for illegal immigrants?


We'd really rather join forces and defeat those Lone Star assholes once and for all...

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